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    Quote Originally Posted by marta View Post
    I think this is very interesting. I've been a probiotic fan for a long time, however not in the form of pills or supplements. I've only popped probiotic supplements when I've been in Mexico and have felt something Montezuma like coming on.

    The way I ingest probiotics is the natural way. I love love love kefir. Plain, unsweetened, yummy, yogurty kefir. It gives me some good calcium (as I'm not a fan of milk) and that way I don't take calcium supplements, it is a natural way to get probiotics and not ones that are manufactured in a factory (or however they make the probiotic pills/supplements), it's credited as one of the factors of the above average longevity of the numerous centurions in the Ural mountains. Another form of natural probiotic consumption is in sprouts. I eat lots of sprouts (radish, sunflower, kale, and more) and the probiotic on them is in the little fuzz that you see between the stem and the new sprout... apparently it's a great way to get your probiotics because it manages to survive through the passage of the entire digestive system, and the most important absorption for health happens to be 'near the end of the line' if you know what I mean. Kefir can't get that far down, nor can pills.

    I noticed in the articles that what they're mostly talking about is probiotic supplements, not natural probiotics.
    I believe in everything in moderation and probiotics are no exception. I try not to take many pills (of any form) unless they're keep me alive, like Imuran, xarelto, dapsone, etc., but I do believe that the reason probiotics are such a hot commodity and so many manufacturers are trying to get in on the profiteering side of probiotics, is because there is truth to the fact that they are good for us. The trick is to ingest them as mother nature created them (like eating fruit vs drinking fruit juice) and then you're not overdoing it, you're not depending on whoever put the formula together to have done it right, and you're not betting your health on the idea that where they were manufactured was a clean place where mistakes never happen.

    That's my two cents and wrong or right, I'm gonna keep eating my probiotics the way nature created them, because they haven't hurt me this far, and I love the taste of the foods they come in.

    Hope this post doesn't upset anyone (as I often do, ha ha) and that it throws a different perspective on the idea of probiotics.

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    How can anyone be upset from what you write, marta ? I love reading your comments. Thank you so much for the input. The articles above talk about probiotics in pills etc. Of course natural probiotics are perfectly ok.
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    2 new Israeli researches. I read about them in Hebrew and found it in English as well.

    The first one Here : https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S...674(18)31102-4

    In short, they have found that for some patients, probiotics are not helpful and that there is a way to diagnose in advance if you have "resistance" to probiotics.

    The second research is more severe considering the use of probiotics. They have found that giving probiotics after antibiotics will not help at all to recover the microbiome back to where it was before the antibiotics. It took months to recover. Here: https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S...674(18)31108-5
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    https://www.wegeners-granulomatosis.com/forum/threads/4238-pberggren-memorial-thread
    "You are my sunshine", he used to sing to me... "you make me happy, when skies are grey" I still answer him.
    Rest in Peace, my brave Batman and take care of your weggies from heaven, until we meet again.

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    Interesting articles. There is a lot still to learn about the gut biome. I think I mentioned somewhere here about a diet that I have been on for acid reflux. Specifically a type of reflux called LPR
    Laryengo Pharengeal Reflux. Oh yes, I did talk about it here. I am still amazed that the diet is so effective for so many people and the entire basis of it is altering the gut microbe population by reducing fermentable carbohydrates.

    Part of the discussion includes the caution against using some probiotics as they have PRE biotics with them that can feed the microbes we are trying to reduce (the microbes that produce methane and hydrogen). Perhaps there will some day be doctors whose specialty is microbe health specific to certain illnesses. There are many variables. I wish such a specialty existed now. The information out there right now is quite large with a fair amount of conflicting ideas. Until then I guess we all experiment on ourselves and share our ideas with each other.

    In agriculture , which is a passion of mine, the thinking is shifting from feeding base nutrients to the plants (like nitrogen, potassium, phosphorus) to feeding the microbes in the soil. Plants get most of their nutrients from microbes in the soil. In fact, plants produce carbohydrates in their foliage and then transport it back down to the roots where microbes are fed along the surfaces of the roots. Plants are basically farming microbes in the soil.
    These microbes then produce a balance of nutrients that the root can absorb. Healthy plants have healthy soil with a healthy growth of microbes. I think we will see a large shift in how we think about people(and their microbes) in the same way. I wish I could write a song about Me And My Microbes- it is a hit waiting to happen.

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    If someone stands to make a lot of money from their book, pills, or sage advice, then beware..... Money corrupts even the best.
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