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    Exclamation Need help/advice: Dad sedated in the hospital on ventilator extremely agitated

    A few weeks ago my dad was told he had vasculitis, confirmed from a kidney biopsy. The doctors never said if he had Wegeners, but from what it seems from his symptoms, affecting his sinuses, lungs and kidneys, it seems to definitely be Wegeners or MPA. Things started going downhill the middle of November. My dad starting losing a lot of weight and feeling tired all the time. By December he was laying in bed everyday and not able to concentrate too well. He went to the doctors and they did a blood test. On December 19, he passed out in the doctors office after hearing the news that his kidneys were failing and was rushed to the hospital. He found out his kidneys were functioning at only 10%. They did a biopsy a few days later to try to figure out what was going on and that is when they determined it was the autoimmune disorder causing inflammation to his kidneys, resulting in acute kidney failure. Immediately, they started him on 400 mg of Predisone for three days, as well as cytoxan (I believe 250 mg or mcg, not sure). He was also coughing up mucus and blood and having pain in his chest and shortness of breath that started while in the hospital. They did a chest x ray and an MRI I believe which showed that he had scarring throughout the lungs. The doctors were not sure what the scarring was from. My dad was a smoker until three years ago when he quit, so it is unknown if such scarring was from the disease or from past smoking. There was no inflammation at this time. A few days later, he couldn't breathe properly on his own so they gave him a mask to give him extra oxygen and transported him to the Cardiac Care Unit. This was December 29th.

    That night he got worse and he ended up not being able to breathe properly with the extra oxygen and so he had to go on the ventilator and was sedated on propofol. They also gave him Ativan because he kept trying to pull the tubes out upon waking up. They had him on 15 mcg of propofol in the beginning and I'm not sure of the dose of Ativan. He was completely asleep from the looks of it when we went to visit him the next day. The doctors confirmed that his lungs filled up with fluid, but are still not aware even now for sure if it was an infection such pneumonia or a fungal infection, the kidney failing, or the immune disease. They gave him three different antibiotics to make sure, along with the lower dose of steroids and the cytoxan. He started dialysis and had numerous plasma exchanges. The fluid in his lungs finally cleared completely after two weeks. After the first week, he was able to be put on CPAP mode of the vent. Luckily his heart was not affected. They did a CT scan of his brain as well as an EEG as a precaution because he was not very alert, but everything came back negative and there looked like there was nothing wrong with his brain and there is no reason to believe he would have any brain damage.

    Fast forward to today, four weeks after being put on the ventilator, his lungs look good, with no fluid, still some mucus, and his kidneys are recovering (up to 30% now from 10% before) and the creatine level has been staying stable even with no dialysis for a week. He was not able to be successfully weaned because of mucus and probably dependency on the vent for so long. Last week they did a tracheotomy because he had too much mucus and did not want to risk him being too weak to cough it up and it going back into his lungs.

    We were hoping then they would be able to wean him off the sedation once he had the trach put in. However, the biggest problem right now is that he is too agitated to be taken off the propofol. His heart rate starts going up to 110's, 120's when he gets agitated. My mom got so frustrated one day and demanded the nurses completely stop the propofol. When they did this he got so agitated and his blood pressure went up to 200. The highest they have had the propofol up to is 50 mcg being the highest. They have given him injections of the ativan which usually calms him down. However, a few days ago, that did not even work. He was so agitated, moving his arms and legs and looking like he was trying to beat someone up, which I read could be a sign of lack of REM sleep. They started him on an antipsychotic drug, Haldol, which seemed to calm him a bit. He is now down to 30 mcg of the propofol. However, today he was very agitated again and very restless moving around a lot. He opens his eyes and can hear sounds, but is not too responsive otherwise. They have tried to give him morphine to calm down as well, but nothing seems to be working. I am worried about how long he has been on so much sedation and we don't know the cause of what seems to be this delirium he is under. I know you can get ICU delirium and it could also be from the medication he is on. I have been reading that steroids and the chemo drug can cause this. Benzos, which I believe Ativan is, can also cause hallucinations.

    We are trying to transfer him to another hospital with a special care unit that focuses on extremely complex patients and they say they specialize in getting patients weaned off the sedation and the vent. The doctors and nurses at the hospital he is at now do not seem to know why he is so agitated and do not seem to know what to do to get him off the sedation completely. We just want him to be able to wake up and get him out of this delirium. If anyone has had any type of experience like this or if you know anyone who has had this type of experience please share anything that may be helpful to calm him down. I am sorry this is so long, but I would greatly appreciate any advice. It is so sad because his body seems to be recovering, but now this delirium is causing problems

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    I have been on this forum for six years and have never heard of dilirium setting in. Several hospitals, have you had any contact with a vasculitis or GPA specialist? Where are you located? We can help you find a specialist.
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    Yup I was on a ventilator on all the cool drugs for weeks as well. Kept trying to pull out my track and drainage tubes. Plenty of hallucinations for sure. They're exactly like the real thing. I could still swear I saw what I saw both in a semi-conscious state and totally unconscious. This may explain some of his agitation at least. Has there been any suggestion of an allergic reaction to any of the drugs he's on? Sounds like he needs more specialised care. What's the progress on getting him transferred - that could be an extremely complex process but it will have been done many times before. His body recovering is a HUGE step in the right direction which is fantastic.

    What are the current medical staff saying about next steps? Are they supportive of moving him to a specialist care unit?
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    The infectious disease doctor they had brought in when his lungs filled up with fluid is actually one of the vasculitis specialists in our area, but she does not seem to be playing much of a role. His nephrologist, who I do not believe is a vasculitis specialist, has been the doctor controlling the treatment for the autoimmune disorder. We live in South Florida, about an hour north of Miami in Coral Springs, FL. I know there is a Cleveland Clinic in Weston, FL, about 30, 40 mins away from us and they have a a vasculitis center. I do believe there are vasculitis specialist in our area. It is frustrating when you are not sure if the hospital is doing enough to help him. We are trying to transfer him another hospital. I want to try to figure out once if he is transferred there if they can get a vasculitis specialist who plays a major role in him recovering.

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    Get to Cleveland clinic ASAP.
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    One of the nurses suggested that the chemo drug could be causing hallucinations, but the nephrologist did not want to take him off it because he said I believe that he does not want to mess with the kidneys. My mom, who is down in South Florida (I am actually more up north in FL right now which is frustrating) went to visit this specialized care unit at a different hospital yesterday and the nurse there told her they specialize in weaning off the vent and sedation and she had seen patients like this before. It is good that his body is recovering, but I do feel that they could be doing more to try to wean him off the sedation and the communication between the doctors and us is horrible. It feels like you are pulling teeth to try to get some information. My mom told the social worker at the hospital that she liked the other hospital she went to with the specialized care unit and the social worker said she would get everything together, but we have not heard back yet. I am not sure how long this transfer will take and if they have to determine if he is strong enough to be moved. His nephrologist has seemed to help him a lot with his kidneys and lungs recovering, and he would be able to follow him to that hospital, but I would prefer for a vasculitis specialist to play a more active role.

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    What chemo drug is your Dad taking?
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    Cytoxan (Clycophosphamide)

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    What is the dosage? Cytoxin is the heavy hitter for Wegs.
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    They started him off when he was still awake taking 5 pills of it daily, all at once, each 25 mg each. So that would actually total up to 125 mg, not 250 mg as I had posted earlier. To my knowledge, that is the dose he is still on, the 125 mg, but now through IV

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