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    Alysia, hello! Alysia, I'll try sending it to you, right now, direct from the page, sometimes this works when the link does not... Enjoy, the day, Alysia... Deb...XXo...
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    A DOCTOR’S VIEW OF PATIENTS WITH CHRONIC PAIN DISEASE
    Featured Monday, 21 December 2015 sitemanager Uncategorized 4040 Hits
    December 20, 2015


    As scary and frustrating as it can be to have a chronic disease, especially chronic pain, it is often equally frightening and concerning for the providers who care for such patients. One practitioner offers his viewpoints on what it is like to care for patients with chronic disorders and offers some helpful and practical advice for patients to follow. There also is much for healthcare providers to learn from this as well.


    The following compassionate “Letter to Patients” is reprinted below in its entirety from the blog, “Musings of a Distractible Mind (Thoughts of an odd, but not harmful primary care physician)” written by Rob Lamberts, MD, who practices in Georgia [learn more about him here]. It is reproduced by permission under a Creative Commons Copyright License agreement.


    We have never before reproduced another blogpost in this way. However, when it was first written, on July 14, 2010 and posted [here], this article stirred tremendous interest among readers (more than 400 comments) and it seems worth bringing to the attention of our UPDATES audience of professionals and patients. We also want to thank Bob Twillman, PhD (of the American Academy of Pain Management) for alerting us to this letter via Twitter.

    Dear Patients:


    You have it very hard, much harder than most people understand. Having sat for 16 years listening to the stories, seeing the tiredness in your eyes, hearing you try to describe the indescribable, I have come to understand that I too can’t understand what your lives are like.


    How do you answer the question, “how do you feel?” when you’ve forgotten what “normal” feels like? How do you deal with all of the people who think you are exaggerating your pain, your emotions, your fatigue? How do you decide when to believe them or when to trust your own body? How do you cope with living a life that won’t let you forget about your frailty, your limits, your mortality? I can’t imagine.


    But I do bring something to the table that you may not know. I do have information that you can’t really understand because of your unique perspective, your battered world. There is something that you need to understand that, while it won’t undo your pain, make your fatigue go away, or lift your emotions, it will help you. It’s information without which you bring yourself more pain than you need suffer; it’s a truth that is a key to getting the help you need much easier than you have in the past. It may not seem important, but trust me, it is.


    You scare doctors.


    No, I am not talking about the fear of disease, pain, or death. I am not talking about doctors being afraid of the limits of their knowledge. I am talking about your understanding of a fact that everyone else seems to miss, a fact that many doctors hide from: we are normal, fallible people who happen to doctor for a job.


    We are not special. In fact, many of us are very insecure, wanting to feel the affirmation of people who get better, hearing the praise of those we help. We want to cure disease, to save lives, to be the helping hand, the right person in the right place at the right time.


    But chronic unsolvable disease stands square in our way. You don’t get better, and it makes many of us frustrated, and it makes some of us mad at you. We don’t want to face things we can’t fix because it shows our limits. We want the miraculous, and you deny us that chance.


    And since this is the perspective you have when you see doctors, your view of them is quite different. You see us getting frustrated. You see us when we feel like giving up. When we take care of you, we have to leave behind the illusion of control, of power over disease. We get angry, feel insecure, and want to move on to a patient who we can fix, save, or impress. You are the rock that proves how easily the ship can be sunk. So your view of doctors is quite different.


    Then there is the fact that you also possess something that is usually our domain: knowledge. You know more about your disease than many of us do — most of us do. Your MS, rheumatoid arthritis, end-stage kidney disease, Cushing’s disease, bipolar disorder, chronic pain disorder, brittle diabetes, or disabling psychiatric disorder — your defining pain — is something most of us don’t regularly encounter. It’s something most of us try to avoid.


    So you possess deep understanding of something that many doctors don’t possess. Even doctors who specialize in your disorder don’t share the kind of knowledge you can only get through living with a disease. It’s like a parent’s knowledge of their child versus that of a pediatrician. They may have breadth of knowledge, but you have depth of knowledge that no doctor can possess.


    So when you approach a doctor — especially one you’ve never met before — you come with a knowledge of your disease that they don’t have, and a knowledge of the doctor’s limitations that few other patients have. You see why you scare doctors?


    It’s not your fault that you do, but ignoring this fact will limit the help you can only get from them. I know this because, just like you know your disease better than any doctor, I know what being a doctor feels like more than any patient could ever understand. You encounter doctors intermittently (more than you wish, perhaps); I live as a doctor continuously.


    So let me be so bold as to give you advice on dealing with doctors. There are some things you can do to make things easier, and others that can sabotage any hope of a good relationship:


    Don’t come on too strong — yes, you have to advocate for yourself, but remember that doctors are used to being in control. All of the other patients come into the room with immediate respect, but your understanding has torn down the doctor-god illusion. That’s a good thing in the long-run, but few doctors want to be greeted with that reality from the start. Your goal with any doctor is to build a partnership of trust that goes both ways, and coming on too strong at the start can hurt your chances of ever having that.
    Show respect — I say this one carefully, because there are certainly some doctors who don’t treat patients with respect – especially ones like you with chronic disease. These doctors should be avoided. But most of us are not like that; we really want to help people and try to treat them well. But we have worked very hard to earn our position; it was not bestowed by fiat or family tree. Just as you want to be listened to, so do we.
    Keep your eggs in only a few baskets — find a good primary care doctor and a couple of specialists you trust. Don’t expect a new doctor to figure things out quickly. It takes me years of repeated visits to really understand many of my chronic disease patients. The best care happens when a doctor understands the patient and the patient understands the doctor. This can only happen over time. Heck, I struggle even seeing the chronically sick patients for other doctors in my practice. There is something very powerful in having understanding built over time.
    Use the ER only when absolutely needed — Emergency room physicians will always struggle with you. Just expect that. Their job is to decide if you need to be hospitalized, if you need emergency treatment, or if you can go home. They might not fix your pain, and certainly won’t try to fully understand you. That’s not their job. They went into their specialty to fix problems quickly and move on, not manage chronic disease. The same goes for any doctor you see for a short time: they will try to get done with you as quickly as possible.
    Don’t avoid doctors — one of the most frustrating things for me is when a complicated patient comes in after a long absence with a huge list of problems they want me to address. I can’t work that way, and I don’t think many doctors can. Each visit should address only a few problems at a time, otherwise things get confused and more mistakes are made. It’s OK to keep a list of your own problems so things don’t get left out — I actually like getting those lists, as long as people don’t expect me to handle all of the problems. It helps me to prioritize with them.
    Don’t put up with the jerks — unless you have no choice (in the ER, for example), you should keep looking until you find the right doctor(s) for you. Some docs are not cut out for chronic disease, while some of us like the long-term relationship. Don’t feel you have to put up with docs who don’t listen or minimize your problems. At the minimum, you should be able to find a doctor who doesn’t totally stink.
    Forgive us — Sometimes I forget about important things in my patients’ lives. Sometimes I don’t know you’ve had surgery or that your sister comes to see me as well. Sometimes I avoid people because I don’t want to admit my limitations. Be patient with me — I usually know when I’ve messed up, and if you know me well I don’t mind being reminded. Well, maybe I mind it a little.
    You know better than anyone that we docs are just people — with all the stupidity, inconsistency, and fallibility that goes with that — who happen to doctor for a living. I hope this helps, and I really hope you get the help you need. It does stink that you have your problem; I just hope this perhaps decreases that suckishness a little bit.


    Sincerely,
    Dr. Rob
    Knowledge is power! Wisdom is using it to make good decisions!

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    Drz, thanks for putting it all out, I guess some can't get the link? Drz, you're cool... Deb...
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    Its touching, genuine and beautiful. Thanks drz.
    Actually I think we need to carry this letter and give it to our docs. Deb ??
    Alysia
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    Here, in this forum, I have found my sweet eternal love, my beautiful Phil.. :
    https://www.wegeners-granulomatosis.com/forum/threads/4238-pberggren-memorial-thread
    "You are my sunshine", he used to sing to me... "you make me happy, when skies are grey" I still answer him.
    Rest in Peace, my brave Batman and take care of your weggies from heaven, until we meet again.

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    Alysia, I can't even get em, to check out an article, explaining, wegeners! So... Who knows, miracles to happen, right? Deb...
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    Ah!!! Do, happen! Not to... Why no editing for me???
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    This is such an amazing letter. It has helped me this past year, as I have had to move, and leave a Dr. with whom I had 11 years with, treating my Wegeners Dz. I began seeing her after being diagnosed and treated for the first 10 years of my Wegeners by a Dr. who I had a true connection with, because the technically "saved my life". Wegeners was very rare, and the fact that he knew of the dz and was able to recognize it in me was a miracle. He also worked with 2 other Drs who had been treating me for a year, and were totally frustrated by the fact that I was only getting worse, not better, so it was really a great group, once they knew what they were dealing with! When I had to leave because of my husbands job, it was just too far to drive for appts. So I was devastated, and didn't know what I would do. They were like my family. (sounds silly, but its true) Fortunately I moved close to UAB in Birmingham Ala. Its a University and Medical Center. They do tons of research on rare diseases, etc. I found a Rheumatologist that I clicked with immediately. She was very interested in me, and very knowledgeable in Wegeners Dz. It was a match made in heaven. For 11 years I felt I was in good hands, and even took part in "first time" procedures for my "saddle nose" by a Super Plastic Surgeon. And also was treated for tear duct issues that began, as the Wegeners kept on its path of destruction in my sinuses and nose. I could go on. It was actually fun, and I felt secure with my "team". Then life happened........after 20 yrs of marriage, my husband and I divorced. The next 5 years were a nightmare. I had to move back home to be close to family, and the task of finding that "right" doctor for me began. Lots of Prayer. The letter written by Dr.Rob is such a great insight into helping me choose my doctors. I do have a great "team", although I am still trying to make some adjustments, and get more confidence in my Rheumatologist. I totally did the thing that Dr.Rob said was something NOT to do.......I went in with my list of ALL the issues I had been having, and telling him that I felt I was having a Wegeners flare. I talked a mile a minute, and just spewing all my recent procedures and hospital stay.......Poor Dr., He looked like a deer looking into headlights! I left very discouraged and felt he could never be my doctor. He just didn't understand me and must know nothing about wegeners. Then I read the letter. Wow, I had really screwed up! Also, I did not take into consideration my doctors personality. He is quiet, a thinker, very thoughtful, not making quick decisions. I found out from my Aunt who has been going to him for years for her RA. I am having some issues now, and I still feel like I wish he would be more aggressive with my treatment. But I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, as now he is consulting and working with one of my other doctors, and together they are doing a good job. I still have a question about keeping my Rheumatologist, but will take it one step at a time. I read this letter from Dr. Rob occasionally, just to keep myself in check! Blessings and Love,
    Life is a Gift~ Lilly

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    Thanks for sharing Lilly. its such a blessing to have a good doc. many times it makes the difference between life and death for us. I hope that your rheumy will finally become a decent one. I guess you are seeing him right now so praying for you my friend. with lots of love.
    Alysia
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    Here, in this forum, I have found my sweet eternal love, my beautiful Phil.. :
    https://www.wegeners-granulomatosis.com/forum/threads/4238-pberggren-memorial-thread
    "You are my sunshine", he used to sing to me... "you make me happy, when skies are grey" I still answer him.
    Rest in Peace, my brave Batman and take care of your weggies from heaven, until we meet again.

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    I want to thank you all for posting this letter and talking about this subject. I confess, I do scare doctors. I do it probably because of working around them for 30 some years. I also had to advocate for my Dad, when they could not find what kind of cancer he had until 48hrs before he died. I wish I didn't question everything they tell me, but I do. I have caught even the best of the WG specialists in contradictions, so yes they are humans and do make mistakes. Some of those mistakes we can't afford. I really wish I could just go in the offices of those docs one day sit there like a lady and say oh thank great one,(I'm kidding, I am polite, I say thank you). I hate when they tell me that we are in this together. I guess I'm just not feeling it yet!
    Jana


    Do not fear anything, just do it afraid!
    It does not matter how slowly you go, as long as you do not stop!


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