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09-13-2009, 11:37 PM
I saw my ENT friday. They got the results of my ct scan 3 weeks ago. Comparing it to last September, bone and muscle destruction in my right cheek, jaw, and skull. He did say that the inside of my nose looks better than last month and that he was glad i went back on the prednisone. I have to get a 3 phase bone scan with nuclear medicine?(anyone had this.. im guessing yes) I havent looked it up yet but will try to later today. He thinks I may have a bone infection, bacterial or fungal, that is doing this damage and wants to stop it asap if so.. of course. The report said .... interval development of destruction of the posterolateral wall of the right max sinus with inflammatory changes extending into the muscles and mastification in the pterygopalatine fossa. this is new since last study. interval pregression of destruction of the anterior wall of the sphenoid sinuses.
This was not easily heard by my ears of course. Thing is, the destruction and bone pieces i had come out were back in last october when I first got on the mtx. The pain however.. that was getting better starting like jan of this year and off and on comes back was really bad in july and part of august, has again started going away. I am actually sleeping thru most nights. ill just try to stay positive.. or try to start thinking positive. i mean, i am about 80 or more percent better since last year this time. Its been a year since the Mayo clinic now. Time flies. wow. I am still curious about this bone scan thing. I have had a dex one done which showed i have geriatric bones and this was after two or three months on the mtx. I know this is a diff scan but injecting whatever that stuff is.. sounds a little weird.

09-14-2009, 03:08 AM
Here's (http://www.utmedicalcenter.org/cms/Three-Phase+Bone+Scan/547.html) a little info on that type of scan. It isn't a typical scan for someone with Wegs, as Wegs doesn't destroy bone or muscle. Did your ENT actually show you on a model skull what is happening and where?

Osteomyelitis (bone infection) is one of the most serious things you can have. Extremely difficult to treat and the potential for further bone destruction and spread to other tissues is very high. It's bad enough to have a bone infection in an extremity, but so close to your brain is unbelievably dangerous.

When are you getting the scan, and when is your next appt to hear the results? If both aren't happening within the next week, I would urge you to do whatever it takes to make that happen.

Even if the bone destruction has stopped, the remaining bone is structurally not intact and may require corrective surgery to prevent it from collapsing and/or jeopardizing the brain.

With these results, I cannot emphasize enough that you need to consult a highly trained ENT. If it were me, I'd be on the phone with Mayo tomorrow. That probably isn't what you want to hear, but it'd be irresponsible of me to tell you to wait or just stick with a local doc.

09-14-2009, 06:25 PM
I too strongly think that a consult with Mayo is of the highest order. This can be helped with surgery and implants if necessary, but again someone with a good knowledge of WG has to be consulted and work with the ENT/Surgeon

09-14-2009, 11:54 PM
Thanks both of you for your replies. The ENT I am currently seeing is at USF (university of south florida). Since the mayo clinic is about 5 hours away, the doctors at the mayo clinic advised me to find a doctor at usf to see monthly or when i needed any urgent type care as well. The ent i have treats wegeners and fungal infections as a specialty. He treated a girl with fusarium right after I got over my fusarium infection. He said her nose looks just like mine, just not as bad. He saw a wg patient very recently who had bone destruction sort of like mine but upwards and had a fluid leak from his brain cavity so i def feel like i understand the severity if i do have some type of infection. My white blood cell count including the breakdowns dont show any infection for the last two months i had blood pulled. I am getting more pulled tomorrow and seeing my rheum next tuesday i believe. my rheum is not at usf.i could not find a rheum taking patients at usf except one doc that i saw maybe three times then dumped her. she was ridiculous. She is actually the doc of the patient with the brain fluid leak and the ent was extremely displeased to put it mildly with her and her "treatments". he said the same thing i did about her blowing off every symptom saying "you need to see your .. (dermatologist, ent)" whichever type of issue it was and just kept talking to me like a i was a stupid small child. she is the one that said i had some lung change and needed to see my pulm asap. i had to wait like 4 days... plus a weekend to find out... nothing. there was no change. all good still. so i was really upset with her and fired her. anyway, i am currently in search of a weg specialist or vasculitis specialist that is in my area.. that is accepting new patients. i waited three months for a new pain management doc to find out he quit and didnt tell me. he opened a new practice not far from usf and didnt bother to call me so i am again on the look out for a new one. my old one is beginning to be greedy with money and not caring about his patients waiting 3 hours to get in ... with an appt. i have limited time to call around during "open" hours to find doctors and find out not only if they take my current.. united insurance but in january my work is switching all employees to blue cross blue shield ppo. great... more money to pay to these docs that are millionaires. i must mention this funny little thing from saturday. i got a card from cvs thanking me with hand written signatures for my business. I spent almost $13000 there last year in medications. They were nice enough to give me those gift cards when you bring in a new prescription, even if it was not a new one. they gave me over $500 in gift cards last year because they felt bad for me i guess. i guess that is a benefit of being helpless and sick lol. ok im really trying to not ramble on but.. lol.... so about the scan. they are ordering in the medicine they have to inject then calling me to set up the appt asap. I know the ent said he is doing this just to rule out infection of the bone. I havent had a scan since last september so the destruction could of happened anytime between then and now. im not sure how i will get this scan done without missing work but i will try to talk to my work and see if they will let me leave excused/non paid for part of it. the other parts i think i can do in the timeframes that link is saying without missing work. good thing is, i am now under 2% absence rate so if i have to miss work for it, i wont get fired now. and if they dont let me have the excused non paid time, i will make sure they feel guilty about it telling them what could happen if i dont get the scan. i know i really should drop everything and go now and i know if i was having some major issues that were making me unable to work, i would drop everything and go. i just cant take the chance of losing my job unless something bad comes back on it and i have to go into the hospital for emergency medication, etc. i just really would like to stay in denial and wish it all away. this sucks. I have a question for all you experts here (since most of us know more then the docs do). My boyfriend was mentioning that he got burned really bad once in a fire and he had plasma coming out of his arm where a giant blister had been if i remember what he said correctly. he said what i describe comes out of my sinuses sounds exactly like plasma. i looked online and it is exactly the same color and acts just like the same stuff that came out of his burns. do you know anything about plasma and sinuses? or would this be way off? i mean i know you are not doctors here but still, like i said... i think we all know more then some of them do. lol

09-15-2009, 12:02 AM
I just got the call and my appt for the scan is this thursday. They are doing an 830am injection, then another at 845 then i come back at 1 for the scan. They are not doing the Indium one unless they feel necessary after looking at the first scan.

09-15-2009, 01:11 AM
I can do little more than send you my best wishes and thank God that we have a free National Health Service and a degree of job protection here in the UK.

09-15-2009, 02:55 PM
Good luck on thursday, tell them to go easy and take their time with the injection.

09-15-2009, 03:06 PM
Yes, it can be unpleasant if given too fast.:eek:

09-21-2009, 10:14 AM
I got to my bone scan appt thursday to find out that they really do indeed want to do the three different scans instead of just two. I did a few quick ct scans then went to labcorp for my rheum doc then back to usf for the lady to pull a huge thing of blood from me and two little tubes also. They sent them to the lab to pull the white blood cells out and put the indium into or on..them, then i went back a few hours later for more scans, then she put the maybe tablespoon amount of dyed white blood cells back in thru the iv she left in and said come back 8am sharp in the morning. i ended up with one hole in my right arm and two in the left and a bunch of bruises on the left one from my "generous vein". lol. besides the .. i dont know... half a quart it seems like, of blood she had taken, and the other .. i dont know... 5 tablespoons that shot out of the iv on the floor.. i was a little dizzy but i actually had red blood for once instead of "chocolate" blood i have had for awhile. obviously not anemic for once in my life. yippie. they did a full body scan at 8am then the "obnoxiously" close ct bone scans. they took about hour and 15 mins total twice and maybe 30 or 40 mins the first set. talk about sore and hurting.. just from laying still for so long and laying flat which i normally cant do. so im waiting on the results. ive felt decent for a few days. i got home from work today and found a pretty big loss of tissue in my nose after the huge loss.. came out with rinsing. talk about ruining my day. i dont see or feel inflammation in my nose. it doesnt hurt much at all in fact for once but this really makes me .. depressed. like.. i instantly grabbed a beer. i know its not a good thing with the meds or for emotional distress. good thing i dont really like alcohol.. the taste of it yuck. i feel so bad for my boyfriend having to put up with me being sick or not being able to do .. much at all, go out in the sun, sleep laying down like a normal person. i went from feeling emotionally happy for once to wanting to cry like i just lost my best friend. this rollercoaster.. sucks. i cant imagine what will or wont come back on the scans. i want to know... but then again.. its like.. what else!!!??? at least my eating binge from getting back on the steroids has let off some. so anyway.. ill update again hopefully tomorrow. then again.. the longer it takes to find out .. the better the news im sure. my boyfriend led me to his sisters friends or someone she knows.. story. in case you have people like i do that just dont understand what it feels like to live like we do.. here is a really good story to explain. http://www.butyoudontlooksick.com/navigation/BYDLS-TheSpoonTheory.pdf

09-21-2009, 10:49 AM
Good luck with your test results. You can call them every other day and see if they're ready. Don't assume that longer is better. Longer can mean someone forgot to tell someone else the results are in....

I love the Spoon Theory. I've used it with a lot of my friends to explain how it can be with Wegs. Easier to just tell them I'm on my last spoon than describe it in more detail. I like the website too, but do think she's gone a little overboard about making everything in her life about her illness.

09-21-2009, 11:08 AM
A good one! It is so much like that! Thanks for posting that, firecracker.:)

09-21-2009, 11:31 PM
I am actually glad to hear you think she went a little overboard because that can only mean that you dont feel as bad as she does. Me, on the other hand, my whole day is just like hers. I have to start with this minute and plan my whole day so that I can hopefully get through it and maybe get half of the things I need to today. Im off work today since I worked yesterday and have 10 things on a list that I need or want to do. I am already delayed an hour because of my stupid nose and my body just doesnt want to go into drive today. Unfortunately, it has to so here I go to grab my spoons lol. I know if I want to do anything in the afternoon, like shop with my mom like I have planned that I have to majorly take it easy until then which is hard for someone like me. One of my old boyfriends used to call me "want want go go" cuz I would come home, leave, come home, leave. i just was non stop plus working for my dad in his body shop all day on top of it all. I never got tired except at night. I was a lot younger though lol. off i go now. ill update when i hear something on the scans. I have my rheum tomorrow.

09-22-2009, 01:56 AM
No, that's not at all what I meant. At least you can work! I haven't been able to do any kind of work in over 3 years because I'm in such bad shape. I haven't been able to walk my dogs even for 15 minutes in 4+ years. I live in a tiny one-room basement and still need help cleaning it. It's always been minute to minute with me. (Though I think the rituximab will help me turn a corner once I get on it)

What I meant was that she seems to have made everything in her life about her illness. It's helpful to read her stuff--especially when you're newly diagnosed and trying to explain it to yourself and others. I think there's also a danger of falling into an endless hole of "they just don't understand me." It's true, they don't understand what it's like. If you get one person to understand it, there are ten more who don't.

After 3+ years of struggling with this, therapy is teaching me not to keep chasing everyone down and trying to get them to understand. Just accept that they can't and take care of my own emotional needs. It's possible to be happy and content, even if no one around you understands your particular suffering. Even if they don't have a chronic illness, we can't really understand what anyone else's life is like, either!

09-22-2009, 03:48 AM
Well said Sangye.
I am capable of doing less and less these days, but I try not to mention it. Those around me are all too well aware and I don't much care what anyone else thinks. How you manage alone I don't know, I'm embarrassed at the extent to which I now rely on others.

09-22-2009, 10:00 AM
Thanks for explaining what you were meaning, which, of course to me, makes total sense as well. I was really confused what you meant until you explained that. I thought to myself, i am working and most of these people arent. How could that be overboard but now I see what you mean and I def understand what you mean about people not understanding. I cant count the times I got fed up with people acting like I should be able to do things.. anything.. and I ended up saying "i wish for ONE day you would just take .. half of the meds... just one day... i can guarantee you would never expect a thing out of me ever again". yes it shut them up and made them apologize but I felt bad about it for some stupid reason. I hate having to rely on people. My parents, thank God, dont have any other kids.. just me, which is surely enough the last.. say... 36 years lol. but the last 3 or 4 or so.. have been hell for me and them. They supported me fully for about 10 months in the last year and half ish when I couldnt work. Dont get me wrong. Work sucks for me. They made me go thru metlife to get excused time away from my desk to BLOW MY FREAKIN nose. can you believe that? we get i think 15 mins a day for bathroom time. I use about 45 to 60 for either blowing my nose or stopping the bleeding after blowing my nose or that just starts out of the blue. Worse then all that is the pain. That ac at work, I call it the "little guy with the knife that stabs me in my face over and over then pours acid in my face". i try to make the jokes about it bc its just too depressing to tell people over and over what may be wrong with me or why i look like crap all the time. But please, Sangye, dont take anything I said in any bad way. I am a terrible writer and have been told many times that I sound really mean or sound like i know more or am better then someone else when I really think the total opposite. I am very understanding of anyone. i get mad at slow drivers til i remember times i had to drive slow and had some a$$hole honking at me. Them not knowing I was spinning or confused or couldnt see.. or had a sick animal in the car. So I will apologize if I sounded bad in any way to what you said. I also say... you are def right. I worry too much about what people think.. and i actually care much less these days.. then i used to but when people ask me.. i will def give them my version of the spoon thing. its much easier then trying to explain how hard it is to even get my laptop out to check my bills and emails. It hurts to sit, to try to see. Im a good faker at looking like i feel good. so good that a lot of people think i feel good when i dont. i just cant go around looking like i feel or nobody will want to be around me. .. including me. lol. Sorry for the books. i have this issue .. always.

09-22-2009, 10:03 AM
and my massive run on sentences lol i appreciate you all so much really!!

09-22-2009, 10:22 AM
:confused::mad:Air conditioning at work. Oh yes! I would be in and out of my office all day. The air conditioning would be set at 68 degrees F. It would be in the high 90's on the production floor. I'd move from one area to the next, get drenched in sweat, go back into the cold. In winter, it was in the low to mid 70s on the production floor, at least 80 in the office. Not so bad, but not comfortable. I never found a comfort range to work in that was comfortable for the rest of the office. I don't miss that part at all!

I rarely have air conditioning on at home so I am reasonably comfortable at home and outside. Then I go to public places: you got it! Air conditioning so low, I shed massive amounts of heat: i.e. heat goes to cold! Then I'm bathed in sweat, miserable, feel- what's the medical term?- crappy!

I'm afraid air conditioning is the one thing we can't get away from in the modern world. Either/or: if I can stay in one place or the other most of the day, I do fine, but the massive change in temperatures usually gives me a headache, or, when I was a kid, nosebleeds. Blood pressure change brought about by thermal stress is the reason, I guess. Sounds more medical than "crappy" at least!:):(

09-22-2009, 10:36 AM
Don't worry, Firecracker, I didn't take any of what you said personally. You're a fine writer. I know how you're struggling. I just wanted to share what I've been learning, because all these years I've felt so isolated from others and I'm learning that it isn't necessary. I don't want anyone to get stuck in it, like I did. :)

Maybe Jack or someone who's had nasal involvement can give you ideas about dealing with the A/C. My symptoms are so much worse with heat, that I love and require A/C wherever I go. My body goes from ice cold to overheated and back constantly, but the heat feels awful.

09-23-2009, 02:53 AM
A/C ??

I live in England! :rolleyes:

Seriously though - I used to have a constant battle with the air con in my office and was freezing cold most of the time. I used to sit at my desk wearing an outdoor jacket. I much prefer to be hot and long for the sun, which we have not seen much of for the past three years in this country.

09-23-2009, 05:10 AM
England wow. I had no idea where everyone lives except I noticed some canada postings. Today was freakin unbelievable. i went to my rheum and he is like "i ..um dont know what to say but i am going to call your ent. your anca's are negative now. your bloodwork is.. excellent. you are off the mtx right?" yes... he should know this.. "so you take mtx and you feel bad and you have destruction. you get off the mtx and it stops and you feel better and your blood work gets better.. what about cytoxan." im like... "huh? what.. you mean.. .me take that? umm hell no. that mtx felt like it was killing me. i got a dry cough, sores all over and couldnt stop puking 4 days a week and you want to put me back on chemo type pills for no reason?" jesus. he said "you really .. should go to the mayo clinic for a re evaluation" i told him they were the ones that put me on the mtx last sept. he still thinks i should go back. he said i am a mystery and nothing makes sense. i said "welcome to my world' im so sarcastic. lol. so i just took a look at the blood work myself and i see now that this .. very.. well .. uneducated doctor.. did not request the pr3 and mpo like he did before. .. only the c and p anca. i have many tests with p and c ancas negative and pr3 positive. last month in fact. last month pr3 was over double.. almost triple what it was the month before. now.. i dont know what it is cuz he is an idiot. so im still waiting on the bone scan results. i did call nicely and ask. im still waiting nicely for a call back.. til tomorrow. then ill ask my ent for a good doctor to see. if there are any. ugh.

09-23-2009, 06:49 AM
While he should have ordered the other tests, know that all the Wegs tests are regarded as useless for the majority of people. The Wegs specialists know that, and don't make treatment recommendations based on them. The fact that he's puzzled by your "good test results" is proof-positive that he's not qualified to treat Wegs (in you or anyone). He might be a fine rheumy otherwise, but he's not a Wegs specialist.

I don't know what's going on, but if you do have Wegs one could still make sense of your response to mtx. Most of what you experienced--cough, sores, vomiting-- are drug side effects and have no bearing on whether the treatment was actually working. As far as tissue damage being greater or lesser with treatment, it doesn't appear that they've done proper monitoring to make the case either way.

It is certainly a possibility that mtx doesn't work for you. It doesn't work for a lot of people. But it doesn't mean you don't require treatment other than prednisone.

I agree with your doc that you should go back to Mayo for a re-eval. Please don't take this the wrong way, but right now you're trying to run the whole thing--diagnosis, treatment, etc... and you just don't have the training to do it. Even a doctor couldn't treat her/himself with something like this. You need someone who can objectively look at the facts--tests, results, etc... and give an opinion.

I know you're terrified of hearing what they might say, exhausted with the whole thing and probably feel like a guinea pig. But something is destroying the bones and tissues of your skull. They do not grow back, and the potential for other problems is enormous.

09-23-2009, 08:48 AM
you are right about not wanting to hear a lot of things. but, last year i agreed with myself and said .. whatever the mayo says... ill go by. it was not until the dry deep cough that i never had before.. and that went away when i stopped the mtx.. that i knew mtx was not for me. i looked it up.. yes on the internet lol... and saw that too much mtx.... the poisoning signs of too much... fit me in every way. soon as i stopped it, all of those things stopped. cytoxan though? even if i dont go by the blood tests and even if i dont have destruction of the nasal passages? no way.. not until i have something more and have enough time at work to apply for at least fmla or short term disabilty again. i cant work like that and i refuse to make myself sick with meds when i feel .. half way decent.compared to this time last year... i would say i feel 80 ro 90% better. i have my bad days or weeks here and there but it coincides with my period week which includes massive binge eating sweet and salty. i wish i could stop that. ive tried but i am really.. unreasonable and unbearable to deal with when i even try to cut back on that stuff. my boyfriend is sooo tolerant of me and my issues and i dare not to put him thru that.. at least for now. stopping smoking was nothing. i saw i felt better.. i stopped it. its nasty and made me feel crappy after so it was easy to stop. my moods however.. off chocolate and salt are RIDICULOUS. its somewhat like a drug addict. ok its just like that. i would prob need meds to stop that eating. thank God for my metabolism. somehow i have not hit over 113 thru out all of this. i was down to 88 last year. im 5 feet tall and small boned but still.. 88 is skeletor. im at a good 109. good so everyone else says. at least i have something to lose when or if i get sick again. since i have been with this guy, almost 4 mths, i have felt so much better. i cant do my crazy ranting and raving in the middle of the night. i dont feel the need to anymore. he is definitly a blessing. ok so back to this medical crap. i relooked in my nose and the "destruction" i thought i saw really was not as much as i thought. in fact, the more i thought about it, the more i remembered it being more like that "crusting" as the docs call it that was in all that space. it finally let go and left some really nice healthy looking pink flesh in there. and im not joking.. it looks super healthy. i asked my ent today for a new rheum and pain management doc. i cant go back to mayo unless its in november and if i can go on short term or something. bad thing is .. no pay for sick stuff ever again from the company i work for unless i come to work for 13 weeks with no unexcused which i ruined the other day. ill try to figure out something. i wish there was someone close by here that had weg that i could talk to. i mean my ent specializes in it. he knows some people. he knows the guy with the hole in his brain cavity that was leaking brain/spinal fluid. maybe i should ask him to ask the guy if he wants or would talk to me. i have all of you but i desparately need someone in person that is not scared to pull out a flashlight and let me see inside their nose lol. my boyfriend always wants to see for some weird reason. i also have another friend that does. but they both just shake their head like "i have no clue what THAT is" lol. i asked the doc today... "so.. now.. even to you i am the medical mystery" he said.. "well... i def dont think its wegeners. it makes no sense". no sht sherlock lol. he asked what the infectious disease docs i have seen said. i said. depends on which one you talk to. most of them say i am crazy. like literally... i need to talk to someone.. like a psychiatrist. they take everything i say wayyyyy to literally. my descriptions are .. yes.. a little weird but they are the only way to describe stuff when they flat out wont take a moment to look themselves. i cant count the times i brought containers in to docs and they were like... we dont need that. the ones that did look, were the ones that were nice and tried to help. like my LUNG doctor that gave me the cup to "put stuff in over the weekend and keep in the fridge then take to the lab on monday" who then discovered the fusarium fungus and called me personally to tell me.. umm you may die from this if you dont get meds .. right now. they are at cvs pharmacy.. please go.. now. ok im done ranting right now. lol. i will look for a new doctor along with my ent helping me as well.

09-24-2009, 03:01 AM
Sorry firecracker, I can't remember the full details of your story as I've not been too well recently and have been struggling a bit. :rolleyes:

You mention nasal crusting. Do you use saline wash outs? It was the only thing that worked for me and they worked very well.

Cytoxan - have you tried it before and had a bad reaction? I've taken it myself on several occasions including quite high IV doses and suffered no side effects at all. It just made me better :). I prefer to ignore the possible long term effects. Something else will probably get me first. :eek:

09-24-2009, 05:02 AM
(me too- I think it will be the thing I least expect....):eek:

09-24-2009, 09:15 AM
i am with you all on that last part. if it was not for having to work, i would be more willing to try other things but i refuse to lose everything i have over this .. whatever it is i have... as long as i can help it. if i get too sick to work again, then so be it. but for now i have to work and can make it thru most days. not feeling good thru it but every now and then i feel ok enough. I def would not expect any of you to reread my novels to answer that rinsing question too lol. i use the neilmed 20oz rinse bottle with cvs salt packets. they are the cheapest and dont have a weird after.. smell or taste like some do. sinuscleanse are weird. neilmed are great but they are $5 more per 100 and i go thru bare minimum of 8 a day. it takes 2 packets per rinse. i have to use two bottles in the am and two in the pm. i also just got a neubulizer with betamethasone or something like that. tobramycin, and intraconazole. it takes forever to use the intraconazole. its an hour process per night and morning. .. like it doesnt take me long enuf to fix my sparse hair (my pic is from the earlier part of this year i think before i lost 3/4 of my hair in april i think it was). i have not tried cytoxan and prob wont at least til i can get fmla or short term again just in case. the mtx made me sick for one day at first but as time went on i just felt sick longer and longer. i got weaker and weaker and saw other bad things happening until i just got sick 4 days a week, and felt really bad the rest. i started running the non stop fever again, losing hair, having a deep cough that i never had and which stopped when i stopped the mtx. i thought mtx was the weak one of the bunch. what the heck?

09-24-2009, 09:16 AM
by the way.. did i tell you already Doug? that i love that shirt. i need one that says "cheeks by prednisone" maybe with some cute chipmunks on it. you should see some of my pics from last year. i learned how to make chipmunk sounds.. its really funny.

09-24-2009, 09:40 AM
Hi Firecracker:

Are you still having trouble with your sinuses?

I still do after 6 years and use a waterpik to irrigate them with. It is a huge help and greatly reduces the crusting and bleeding for me.

09-27-2009, 10:16 PM
by the way.. did i tell you already Doug? that i love that shirt. i need one that says "cheeks by prednisone" maybe with some cute chipmunks on it. you should see some of my pics from last year. i learned how to make chipmunk sounds.. its really funny.

They are easy to make! (Though chipmunk cheeks are a little cuter than Prednisone body, I don't think you need anything else on your plate, like attention drawn to the only thing chubby on your body!):)

09-30-2009, 01:52 AM
Firecracker, unless your pic is old you do not have chippy cheeks that I can see, you look great. Look at my before and after pic it will make you feel better for sure.;)

09-30-2009, 01:54 AM
Jack I hope you are feeling better. We don't want you under the weather.

09-30-2009, 02:29 AM
Yes, hate to miss you from the forum for any reason, but when it's for having a bad spell, we worry. I do. :(

09-30-2009, 03:33 AM
I seem to be slowly getting over it. At least I'm not spending all day in bed anymore. :)

09-30-2009, 03:50 AM
Hurray, sending lots of hugs and sunshin your way:):):):)

09-30-2009, 04:32 AM
Me too, Jack. I hope you get outta that bed soon! :)