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ingemlb
03-28-2014, 12:28 AM
I noticed recently some dark brown stains between my 6 front bottom teeth. Can't see the discolouration elsewhere but not so easy to see behind all the teeth. I did a bit of research to see if this can be related to the Wegener's but couldn't find anything specific. I have only noticed these stains in the last few weeks. Or if it can be related to any of the meds. Would have to be MTX or Pred as I am not on anything else that's new. Oh folic acid and vitamin D. Since last Tuesday Bactrim DS but the staining occurred before I started on that one.

I tried flossing, brushing with a whitening toothpaste, using a little plastic piksters but nothing seems to shift the stains. Guess I need to see the dentist. Will have to find one that understand Wegener's :(

I did read that brown stains in-between teeth can be bacterial in origin and if that is the case they will keep coming back after the Dentist has removed them.

Has anyone else suffered with this? Or is it totally unrelated? My gums don't look inflamed or discoloured.

drz
03-28-2014, 12:51 PM
Some meds can cause stains. My last mouth rinse to treat mouth sores from my dentist even had that on the warning label.

ingemlb
03-28-2014, 01:24 PM
Thanks drz. I have checked out all the meds I have been taking and can't find anything specific that could be causing it. Anyway I made an appointment with the dentist. I am long overdue for a checkup anyway so will see what he thinks it is. Luckily the dental clinic I go to say they specialise in people with complex medical conditions and they are attached to a hospital here. So I think I will be in good hands and maybe even lucky enough for them to have heard of Wegener's :) Last time I saw them was just over 2 years ago and at that stage I had not been diagnosed with Wegener's as yet. But they were aware of my chronic immune system issues and refused doing dental implants for me at the time. So I know they are careful.

mishb
03-28-2014, 08:11 PM
I have the same thing Inge.

Brown stained teeth right on the gum line of my front (6) bottom teeth.

You are correct, no toothpaste, mouthwash or floss seems to budge it.

I don't think that it is a WG thing but am pretty sure it is a medication thing

Deborah T
03-29-2014, 07:35 AM
is the staining on the gumline between the teeth or just between teeth?

ingemlb
03-29-2014, 09:56 AM
is the staining on the gumline between the teeth or just between teeth?
Hi Deborah. It's between the teeth all the way up. Looks like the sides of the teeth are stained but the stain is visible from the front too :( I have started brushing with a baking soda paste. So far not really looking any better.

Michelle I tend to agree it's something I am taking however research hasn't helped me find it yet.

I don't drink coffee so it can't be that. Nothing else that's dark that I eat or drink. And it's all very recent.

Only meds I am on is Pred, MTX, Bactrim (but the staining started before I was put onto Bactrim), Vitamin D, Folic Acid, Insulin (injected), Somac (been taking it for several years), occasional Valium and Buscopan (but have been using those for years as well). And that's about it.

Hm ... I was using the GelClair mouthwash for the tongue ulcer. I may check if that could have some effect on the teeth as I swished my mouth with it for at least 3 weeks.

OK checked out the Gelclair and there are no known side effects. Can't find anything on staining of teeth but I guess I could look under EACH ingredient. Quite a long list though.

mishb
03-29-2014, 12:52 PM
is the staining on the gumline between the teeth or just between teeth?

For me it doesn't seem to be on the teeth but on the gum between each tooth :unsure:

ingemlb
03-29-2014, 12:58 PM
Definitely on the sides of each tooth for me. Gums look ok :)

drz
03-29-2014, 02:51 PM
The mouth wash I had that warned about risk of stains was PerioRx with ingredient Chlorhexidine Gluconate. This ingredient might be in other mouth washes too sold under different name.

ingemlb
03-29-2014, 04:12 PM
The mouth wash I had that warned about risk of stains was PerioRx with ingredient Chlorhexidine Gluconate. This ingredient might be in other mouth washes too sold under different name.
Drz I noticed that when doing my research. However I haven't been using a mouthwash. Just brush my teeth with Sensodyne (due to having sensitive teeth) and floss them.

I think the baking soda is slowly working on the stains. They seem less distinct than at first. But maybe I am just imagining it. Will keep it up for now and see what happens :)

Rose
03-30-2014, 12:05 AM
Try OIL PULLING. Google it. Something I resorted to before diagnosis when my sinuses were driving me batty. Helped a little for the sinuses but what it did do very well,
was whiten my teeth and my hair became much healthier. It claims to have a lot of health benefits. These days I do it mostly to remove the stains from my teeth as I am a big tea drinker. Anyway, certainly wont harm you so worth a try. I would do it 3 times a day initially to obtain fast results

Rose

ingemlb
03-30-2014, 07:42 AM
Try OIL PULLING. Google it. Something I resorted to before diagnosis when my sinuses were driving me batty. Helped a little for the sinuses but what it did do very well,
was whiten my teeth and my hair became much healthier. It claims to have a lot of health benefits. These days I do it mostly to remove the stains from my teeth as I am a big tea drinker. Anyway, certainly wont harm you so worth a try. I would do it 3 times a day initially to obtain fast results

Rose

Thanks Rose. Never heard of this before. Sounds very simple! I'll buy some sesame seed oil tomorrow. :)

Ruotsi1
03-30-2014, 02:34 PM
This happened to me, right around the time I started Imuran. Looked up all my meds, and no known side affect of teeth discoloration. Went to the dentist and was told it was plaque build up. I go to the dentist, religiously, every 6 months and NEVER have plaque build up. Dentist told me sometimes meds can change our saliva and cause increased plaque. This was 3 months ago and I have not had an issue since???

ingemlb
03-30-2014, 03:00 PM
This happened to me, right around the time I started Imuran. Looked up all my meds, and no known side affect of teeth discoloration. Went to the dentist and was told it was plaque build up. I go to the dentist, religiously, every 6 months and NEVER have plaque build up. Dentist told me sometimes meds can change our saliva and cause increased plaque. This was 3 months ago and I have not had an issue since???


That makes a lot of sense Ruotsi. I have been on a truckload of meds if you include all the pain meds I was taking until recently. So no wonder. Glad that you have had no issues since the cleaning. Hopefully will be same for me :)Thanks

drz
04-01-2014, 06:16 AM
Drz I noticed that when doing my research. However I haven't been using a mouthwash. Just brush my teeth with Sensodyne (due to having sensitive teeth) and floss them.

I think the baking soda is slowly working on the stains. They seem less distinct than at first. But maybe I am just imagining it. Will keep it up for now and see what happens :)

Do you use the Sensodyne toothpaste with either gentle whitening or one for deeper stains?

ingemlb
04-01-2014, 06:20 AM
Do you use the Sensodyne toothpaste with either gentle whitening or one for deeper stains?
Neither drz. Just normal. I shied away from whitening pastes as I had a feeling they may eat into the enamel but that's without doing any research.

drz
04-02-2014, 01:51 AM
Neither drz. Just normal. I shied away from whitening pastes as I had a feeling they may eat into the enamel but that's without doing any research.

I used the Sensodyne Pronamel which is described as strengthen and re-hardens enamel to protect against the effects of acid erosion. I have GERD so figured it might help with that. It has the Fluoride and is also for sensitive teeth. They also sell another one at my drug store that has greater whitening for deeper stains but I don't see any stains for figure the milder one is fine for me. I have lot of dental issues since Wegs and some started earlier due to years of diabetes so I see my dental staff frequently.

ingemlb
04-02-2014, 06:32 AM
Thanks drz. I will check these out. Will see my dentist next week I think so will discuss with him too :) Looks like I will have to be more careful in future with the Wegener's and now also the diabetes. Is there any part of the body that's safe from Wegener's? :sad:

drz
04-02-2014, 08:54 AM
Thanks drz. I will check these out. Will see my dentist next week I think so will discuss with him too :) Looks like I will have to be more careful in future with the Wegener's and now also the diabetes. Is there any part of the body that's safe from Wegener's? :sad:

NO! But some parts are more likely to get attacked than others or damaged by the treatments.

lag713
04-02-2014, 09:06 AM
Michelle (and anyone with discolored gums) - you may have gingivitis or the early stages of gum disease. I have gingivitis because I have caps on my two front teeth after my adult teeth were broken in an accident. Having a foreign body always attracts more bacteria and this leaves me more susceptible to having gingivitis. Brush 2-3 times a day, angle your tooth brush at a slight 45 degree angle toward the gumline. If you have pink in the sink that means your gums are bleeding and it's gingivitis. Oral health is important for overall health. I learned in Microbiology that someone with bad oral hygiene can actually end up with arteries full of, not cholesterol but, BACTERIA. Super gross. Also, it's a good idea to floss daily but I'm really bad at that...

Periodontal (Gum) Disease: Causes, Symptoms, and Treatments (http://www.nidcr.nih.gov/nidcr2.nih.gov/Templates/CommonPage.aspx?NRMODE=Published&NRNODEGUID=%7bCE246689-D899-4CC7-B68A-805AD910F4E7%7d&NRORIGINALURL=%2fOralHealth%2fTopics%2fGumDiseases %2fPeriodontalGumDisease%2ehtm&NRCACHEHINT=Guest#gingivitis)

ingemlb
04-07-2014, 09:03 PM
Just a quick update (my main update is on my update thread (http://www.wegeners-granulomatosis.com/forum/weggie-s-stories/3849-update-ingemlb-4.html)) that the staining was apparently caused by herbal teas staining existing plaque. I would never have suspected herbal teas but that's what the dentist said! I will have to brush several times a day to stop any plaque buildup (mind you it's been well over 2 years since my last cleanup session) and if there is no plaque then there is nothing to stain.

Just reading above I see that I forgot to get the oil to try the "oil pulling". Will add to my shopping list this week :)

greenjeep
04-08-2014, 07:44 AM
Don't mean to be too simplistic , but I have had this before I was diagnosed. The dentist told me it was coffee stains. I have a permanent retainer on the bottom and my tongue doesn't get there and saliva seems to pool around it. They cleaned them off easily but now they are back. I used to drink a lot of coffee. Now not so much.


Sent from my iPhone while driving on the freeway.

ingemlb
04-08-2014, 08:03 AM
Yes he asked me about the coffee to start with but I don't drink it at all. I am also thinking that whilst I had the tongue ulcer in the hospital I used a very sticky stuff called Gelclair to cover the ulcer. I rinsed my mouth with it 4 times a day and I think that is probably what built up the plaque between the teeth and it's the plaque that gets stained. The timing would be right. So now the ulcer is healed and I am off the Gleclair the staining may not return unless I manage to rebuild the plaque another way. I also had to swap to a baby toothpaste during that time because everything cut into the ulcer and hurt like hell. So my dental hygiene was somewhat different for over 6 weeks whilst the ulcer healed.

I did contact the company Gelclair but they have not come across anyone else having this staining but could be that nobody has thought of linking it as yet. The staining started about the time I started using the product.

Well time will tell. I will continue to drink the herbal tea so if the staining returns it won't have been the Gleclair building the plaque. Other thing is I need to go more regularly to have the teeth cleaned. I left it over 2 years this time round so obviously that's not a great idea. Thanks Greenjeep for your feedback. :)

SethOswald
09-22-2014, 10:46 PM
I guess you really need to visit a dentist. We always thought that teeth stains can be wipe away by any formulated toothpastes and strips in the pharmacies. But the truth is, it isn’t the right choice. Besides, the condition varies from person to person. So, if ever you had a teeth stain and discolouration, the best thing to do is to consult a dentist. I had my teeth whitened (started when I was 23) in Beverly Hills through the help of Dr. Frey. Until now, I’m satisfied with the result. Having it done in the clinic is a long term investment.

mrtmeo
09-23-2014, 01:25 AM
Hi inge,
It could be a fungus.
Are you on any antifungals?

vannort
11-20-2014, 02:46 AM
I noticed the same thing recently - almost overnight there was staining between all my bottom front teeth. I'm on no medication and the only product I've changed recently was my mouthwash. After a little research I discovered that Crest Pro-Health Clinical mouthwash stains some people's teeth. I dumped it, needless to say. Do you use this product? http://bc.ctvnews.ca/consumers-spitting-mad-after-mouthwash-turns-teeth-brown-1.993571

Ruotsi1
11-20-2014, 03:17 AM
My dentist said the same about the Crest ProHealth. I was using the mouthwash when I noticed staining on my teeth. The problem is that I had been using the mouthwash for about 1 year before the staining started.

ingemlb
11-20-2014, 10:38 AM
No I don't use the mouthwash. My dentist said it was Herbal tea. I stopped using that for a while but no difference to the staining. Apart from the meds I am on now there is nothing I am eating or drinking that I haven't been eating or drinking for years and in the past I never had the staining. It started in March / April this year so I am still very puzzled what is causing it.