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FW WegWife
08-02-2013, 11:26 PM
Hello everyone. My husband and I live in Fort Worth, Texas. My 56 year old husband, hereafter known as ‘D’, was diagnosed with Wegener’s on June 28th 2013 at the end of a 5 day hospital stay for acute renal failure. This normally very healthy man had been suffering from horrible joint pains over his entire body for 2 weeks. He was so sick he couldn’t drive or work at his desk job. This is a man who NEVER misses work. During that awful 2 week period, I took him to his PCP twice. The first time, I was so sure he would be admitted I went ahead and packed a bag for the hospital. The PCP was baffled by his symptoms: severe joint pain, tongue sores, jaw pain, red spots on the elbows, knees, chest and feet, fatigue, loss of appetite, no fever. All this was in addition to the unresolved problem of sinuses blocked with those horrific enormous bloody boogers seemingly composed of beef jerky and caramel for which she had already referred him to an ENT earlier this year. Initial blood tests showed an alarmingly high sed rate indicating inflammation. She gave him a steroid shot and sent us home with codeine pills for the pain plus a prednisone pack to start bringing down the inflammation while we sat back and waited for more test results. Additional blood tests were ordered looking for auto-immune disorders, parvovirus, West Nile Virus and other exotic illnesses. The steroids gave him a couple days of relief. After that, the pain came back with a vengeance. We just had to gut it out with the pain pills and hope like hell for a diagnosis and treatment plan. What prompted me to take him to the ER on a Sunday morning was when he reported new symptoms of nausea and bloody brown urine. Yes, I looked at it. It freaked me out so badly I said “Let’s go to the ER” and started packing the hospital bag for the second time.
Luckily, there was almost no wait in the ER that morning. The urine specimen left no doubt that something bad was going on. The ER Dr gave D a good looking over and suggested that he might just have “a nasty bladder infection”. Many blood tests and blood cultures were ordered. I was a little confused when she ordered the chest x-ray. We hadn’t discussed anything going on in there. Within an hour, blood tests started coming back showing that he was in acute renal failure with severe dehydration. The chest x-rays showed some kind of lung infiltrates. With all this news plus the fact that he was being admitted to the TRANSPLANT floor, I began to really freak out.
For the first couple of days, many tests were ordered but no treatment was given other than IV fluids and antibiotics. The pain continued, controlled only by codeine pills every 4 hours. His creatinine level continued to rise to a high of 5-point-something on Day 3. That morning, he started having shortness of breath. His oxygen level had gotten so low a blood transfusion was ordered. This day was also my 50th birthday. We were supposed to be on the beach in Florida celebrating but it didn’t work out that way. When I saw the fear starting to show on my stoic husband’s face that morning I began to meltdown. Worst Birthday Ever.
Things started to turn around later on Day 3 as test results came in. The kidney biopsy revealed serious inflammation but no scarring. The nephrologist started 3 days of massive doses of IV pred. By the end of Day 3, the joint pain was completely gone. Creatinine levels started dropping too. Test results ruled out many terrible maladies but the test for Wegener’s was taking longer to come back. As each possible disease that I never heard of was mentioned by various doctors I would quickly google it on my smartphone. I remember being most terrified of Wegener’s because whatever I looked at said something about an 80 % mortality rate. On Day 4, it was down to either Wegener’s or a possible allergic reaction to some kind of OTC medication like Aleve or Prilosec. The morning of Day 5 brought news of positive results for Wegener’s. The nephrologist delivered this news without a lot of embellishment but with some degree of sadness. At that point, we were just glad D was feeling better so we went home with a stack of prescriptions and a low potassium/low phosphorous diet plan. He was put on 150 mg of Cytoxan and 60 mg of Pred plus Bactrim.
My plan was to go straight to denial mode but this luxury was not available to me. Well-meaning family members kept calling with tearful wishes for good luck. They must have looked at the same 80% mortality site I had seen earlier. I got on the computer to try to learn a little more. More gloom and doom. Even a quick glance at this site added to my sense of darkness, disability and even death. My computer became an object of fear to me. At the first available opportunity, I fled to my own PCP to discuss the physical symptoms of panic, fear, and anxiety that were consuming me. Through the miracle of modern pharmacy, in a week or so I was feeling like I could think rationally enough to cope with whatever needed coping with. One day I popped a Xanax and forced myself to sit at the computer and google “ Wegener’s” plus any positive terms I could think of like “success” “living with” “recovery” “remission”, etc… That’s how I found out that our future is not anywhere near as dark as my imagination had led me to believe. Also through the miracle of modern pharmacy, D was showing improvement every day. By his 2 week follow up with the nephrologist, lab work was looking good and he was off the special diet. He was instructed to start tapering the Pred by 10 mg/week during August. The only lingering effect has been stiffness and swelling in his lower legs and feet. That has very gradually subsided. Yesterday he looked down at his feet and yelled “Oh my god!” Of course, my heart sank, thinking it was the return of the red spots or something. He was yelling because the swelling had come down enough that he could actually start to see veins and tendons in his feet again.
So here we are a month later pretty much back to a normal life. We don’t want to be defined by this disease. We’re both kind of uncomfortable discussing it too directly. We call it The Condition or Your Condition. I don’t think D even remembers what it’s really called. He’s not very interested in learning about it. He just wants to be normal. For a while after he got out of the hospital he was still telling people that he had a severe allergic reaction to Aleve. I guess to his ManBrain that was more palatable than having a disease. To the ManBrain, disease equals weakness. We have developed a kind of team approach to dealing with this. I have taken on more of the junkyard dog role. It’s my job to get educated and manage the treatment plan as well as possible. His job is to keep being his adorably positive self, take his meds and report any new or returning symptoms. My biggest fear is that he will disregard changes that might indicate a flare. However, memory of that awful pain and a week in the hospital seems to have made an impression. My hope is that with constant vigilance, we can keep this beast at bay and continue down the path we were on before all the drama hit us. The whole experience has brought us even closer.
Thank you all in advance for being on the team. I have read almost every post on this site and learned so much. However, I still have questions. You’ve been warned.
K (FW WegWife)

Pete
08-03-2013, 12:02 AM
Hi K,

Glad to see that D is on the mend and that you are both learning to live with this dumb disease. Many of us have stories similar to D and you. Indeed, many of us are testimonies to modern pharmacology. Sounds like you're both in good hands doctor-wise. Just don't be afraid to ask questions of them. Many of us on this forum have experiences similar to D's and not only survived disease onset, but have thrived since.

Welcome to our world and good luck with better health in the future.

Palmyra
08-03-2013, 12:15 AM
Hi K,

I'm from Dallas and my daughter who has Weg lives in Austin. We went through similar emotional trauma upon first diagnosis. The good news is that with aggressive, experienced treatment your husband can minimize damage and maintain control of his disease. The more real information you learn (re: from the Vasculitis Foundation, and those experts that deal exclusively w/ Weg) the better and more empowered you both will feel. Personally, I feel it is important for the patient to get on board with the learning process as soon as the initial shock/denial phase has subsided. He is fortunate to have you as an advocate, but in my case I turned into an enabler. This allowed my daughter's denial to continue longer than necessary.

This is my personal opinion only, but you will see it mirrored from many others on this site... If at all possible, at all costs, do your best to go see a vasculitis expert in person as soon as possible. The major medical centers you'll see referenced on this site for those from the US include the Mayo Clinic, Rochester; the Cleveland Clinic, OH, John's Hopkins etc... we have our favorites mostly because of the superior care and information and MORE importantly the medication these specialist are able to deliver. Our local providers may only see a small number of these patients due to its rarity. They may use older drugs at inappropriate doses. The experts are pioneers in innovations and see this patient population exclusively. My own daughter was seen initially at Mayo, Rochester and withstanding the cost of getting there, the cost of care was actually less than trying to navigate in Dallas at UTSW.

Best of luck!
Jane

Dirty Don
08-03-2013, 01:08 AM
Welcome to the site K...glad you found us, despite some of the 'darker' news we inevitably end up discussing. Tough credentials that your husband earned for Weggiedom! Sounds all too familiar. I, too, have a 'man brain' and ignored many of my symptoms...almost killed me...like your husband should and has to, I changed my entire approach to my body...once I survived. Sheesh. I hope D takes this all to heart and works diligently at getting better, including a good doc/protocols/drugs/healthier habits...I'm not one to speak too loudly about good habits, since I'm not good at it, but D must establish a routine that works for him getting healthier. Be patient, tough, and caring K...life will get better with WG, just gotta pay attention to it...sighs...best of luck!

DJS
08-03-2013, 01:17 AM
Welcome from another spouse. You will become alarmed by reading the "side effects" of the drugs used to shut down and control the immune system, but find and trust the main Dr for controlling the meds. Blood tests, urine tests and a diary are the keys. GPA is the new term for this disease, and avoiding sick people becomes the next job.
D

Alysia
08-03-2013, 02:05 AM
Hi and welcome to the forum.
you and your husband have being through nightmare :w00t:
but survived :thumbup:
you are handling the treatment of him and of yourself so well, he is lucky to have you.
with the right treatment he can get into remission and live normal life. the words you were looking for: remission, recovery, even success are possible.
I can tell from my experience that having WG made me change some things in my life, which makes my life much better then before, although there is no remission yet.
you came to the right place. this forum is the best "wg doc" in the world and there are here amazing people with a lot of knowledge and generosity in sharing it.

Debbie C
08-03-2013, 12:35 PM
Hi K & D...unfortunately welcome to our group.Sorry you had to join but we are not all gloom and doom here. You will learn more here than googling it,since we are actually going thru it. I know when I was first diagnosed, I too thought it was a quick death sentence,but with the right drs. and treatment you can go on to live a pretty normal life...just not the one you once knew. It sounds like your hubby is in denial of what he really has and he really needs to be on top of the game to notice any changes that might sneak up and diffenetly get blood work done at least on a monthly basis. Hope the best for both of you ( thank God for Xanax..huh !!)

I used to live in Texas also..I loved it there. I lived on Possum Kingdom Lake (ever hear of it ) for about 7 years then moved to Euless,I worked for Pan Am at DFW for about 6 years there. My grandparents,when they were alive lived in Arlington and we used to take family vacations there every year when I was younger,still have relatives there..Love those COWBOYS !!!! Anyway keep us posted on how things are going.

annekat
08-03-2013, 12:55 PM
Welcome, K. You have come to the right place to learn about Wegeners in its many variations, and to get support from people who are going through it, some with initially very severe cases and others with lighter versions. What your husband went through sounds very scary, and he must be getting some good care or he wouldn't be doing as well as he is. He is on the same drugs I was started on, and I'm happy with the way they worked. I'm now on methotrexate, a somewhat milder immunosuppressant than Cytoxan, and doing quite well, although too much stress will have a noticeable effect on how I feel. Please keep us posted as to D's progress!

mishb
08-03-2013, 04:51 PM
Hi K and welcome to the wonderful world of Weggies.

My first thought, is that I wish D would tell people the he has Wegeners or GPA, so that more are aware of it but my second thought is that I totally understand him not saying it.
Sometimes I tell people I have WG and other times I say I have rheumatoid arthritis........it depends if I can be bothered explaining or not :unsure:
I know that's bad because there are a lot of people working really hard to raise awareness for WG and I guess we aren't helping

I hope things keep improving for D and I hope you continue to read and ask questions.

I'm glad you found this forum and one day, maybe D can join in too.

Take care

annekat
08-03-2013, 07:40 PM
I hesitate anymore to say the actual name of the disease, either the WG version or the GPA version. People who haven't heard of them, which is of course most people, don't seem to be able to process those names. So I'm starting to just say I have an autoimmune condition, not use the word "disease" so as not to freak them out. Of course they will often then say "which one?" , as if they expect to have heard of whatever one I name. I've been saying "vasculitis", or "a form of vasculitis", or "vasculitis, and there are several different kinds" but if I say that last, I end up mentioning the name more often than not. Keeping it simple is good, and they can always go look it up on the internet.... trouble with that is, they then may end up thinking there is an 80% mortality rate! But not many will probably bother to look it up, or remember to. The better we feel, the less need we have to mention it at all!

You could be right, Michelle, that we should mention WG or GPA to encourage awareness of it. I'm leaning toward "vasculitis" on that, since all the forms are rare and serious, and I assume, incurable at this point, and that word just rolls of the tongue and is easier to remember than either of the names for Wegs. Or we could just say Wegs, to really throw them!

drz
08-04-2013, 02:36 AM
As noted earlier your sad tale is only too familiar to many of us but glad you finally got a diagnosis and hopefully will also get proper treatment from someone who has experience with GPA or at least someone who consults with the experts about your treatment.

Sorry you need to be here but glad you found this forum. Good info is crucial in managing this illness.

RudiK
08-04-2013, 10:48 AM
Hello K, I'm sorry "D" had to go through the massive suffering before doctors finally found out what was wrong. His experience, though, is very similar of what everyone on this forum has gone through in one form or another. From my own experience I lived about 40 years without any serious illness and then WG. I'm glad though that "D" is better, and hopefully he will go into remission soon and then lead a better life again. The bad news is that he will never be as good as he was again, that is part of WG's nastiness. Please share with the people on this forum any questions you or "D" may have, there are some smart people on the forum that have gone through what "D" has and will go through and will have many valid suggestions how to cope with the many WG related problems that may pop up.
Good luck and all our best.

FW WegWife
08-04-2013, 11:48 PM
Thanks Jane (and everyone else too) for the great advice. I have read over and over about the importance of seeing a WG specialist. That doesn't seem to be an option in Fort Worth or Dallas or even anywhere near Texas. I can't even get a reliable recommendation for a rheumatologist. I'd rather not waste time, energy and money trying out random rheumatologists that may not be any more helpful than the nephrologist who is currently managing D's case. So... I'm open to the idea of scheduling our next 'vacation' in Minnesota instead of Florida if it's really that important. What I'm not clear on is this: How does the coordination of care actually work? Does the Mayo Dr become primary? Do they write all your prescriptions? Do they coordinate care with your local docs? How often do you have to make the trek to Mayo? Who do you call first when you have problems or questions? Also, I'm curious about whether or not your daughter's treatment plan changed significantly after going to Mayo. Thanks again. K.

Pete
08-05-2013, 12:18 AM
Hi K,

Here are my thoughts about a wegs specialist in your case...

I'm lucky enough to live within driving distance of Cleveland Clinic (2.5 hours each way). My wegs doc in Cleveland calls all the shots on treating me for wegs. She prescribes my wegs meds and is the final authority in setting out the treatment plan. I see her twice a year now that my health is stable.

My PCP is here in Columbus. His office does my monthly labs as ordered by my wegs doc. He reads them and gives me a copy which I send to Cleveland. He also provides ongoing treatment for some pre-wegs conditions (BPH and hypertension). I also continue to see the pulmonologist who diagnosed my wegs for asthma.

I see a lot of docs, so I rarely go more than a couple of months without being examined. So far, so good, as I've been in a medication-induced remission for over a year.

Hope this info is useful.

Dirty Don
08-05-2013, 03:58 AM
How does the coordination of care actually work? Does the Mayo Dr become primary? Do they write all your prescriptions? Do they coordinate care with your local docs? How often do you have to make the trek to Mayo? Who do you call first when you have problems or questions? Also, I'm curious about whether or not your daughter's treatment plan changed significantly after going to Mayo.

Coordination is done by phone/email for the most part...you and/or your PCP need to coordinate that. Mayo is not your primary, but your consultant in this case. Your primary care doc writes most of the prescriptions...you may get one or 2 from Mayo, depends on you letting who take the lead here. In my case, I go to Mayo every 3 months, they are also on call, but in your case, your primary care doc would respond first with notification to Mayo. You always call your primary first...Mayo is good at referring you back to your primary for everything not WG. Mayo's treatment is only changed philosophically...all the same drugs are administered, but Mayo's attitude is aggressive, then be patient while things work. They are thorough, I spent nearly an hour with pulmy last week, just discussing my life framework right now...he was checking me out at the time too, but an hour?! Nice! Then, my rheumy recently retired, so Mayo is pursuing a replacement, but in the meantime I'm with an NP and the head of rheumatology in Phx Mayo...good on me! Yea! So, anyway, had another hour's interview with them both last week also. Mayo takes the time...personnel is salaried, so time becomes less of an issue, time as in profit motive.

drz
08-05-2013, 08:43 AM
My primary Weg doctor consulted with an expert at Rochester Mayo and later refer me to their GPA longitudinal study on long term treatment of GPA. He also consulted with other experts elsewhere. Mayo clinic has option of quarterly visits or annual visits in their longitudinal study so I have seen my Mayo expert quarterly at first but may taper down to annual now. He sends reports to my two treating doctors, my local internist who prescribes all meds except for Weg medicine which are prescribed by my Weg treating doctor who is at another clinic. My Mayo consultant would prescribe meds for me if I needed but I prefer to get them from the doctor who first treated me. Generally Mayo doctors prefer to be consultants and let a doctor closer to you fill prescriptions and order routine lab work. They are good at doing a one time consultation too with recommendations and then can see you again if needed. One person on her comes to Mayo from Texas for consultation. If you check the Vasculitiis Foundation list of Weg experts, there are several in Rochester MN.

FW WegWife
08-17-2013, 12:46 AM
Update:

Went to the nephrologist yesterday for follow-up 6 weeks post hospital stay. Labs looked great. Doc says kidney function is completely normal. No permanent damage done. What a relief! Only issue was some red cells in the urine. Not sure if that's from disease activity or problems with the Cytoxan. Other than the Pred side effects (weight gain, mood swings), D's doing great. Did I mention the Mood Swings? Holy Crap- The MOOD SWINGS. Please tell me the side effects will start getting better when we get down to 20 mg dosage next week. The plan is to stay at 20 mg for a couple months.
We discussed seeing a specialist. The neph is supportive of this idea. In fact, he worked at Cleveland Clinic for 3 years with Gary Hoffman so the process of getting an appointment at CC has been kicked off. Looks like our next vacay will be in beautiful downtown Cleveland. Anyone familiar with the area have suggestions on how to turn this visit into a mini vacation?

annekat
08-17-2013, 01:20 AM
Yes, the pred side effects, including mood swings, do get better at 20mg. and lower, in my experience, anyway.

Your mention of your nephrologist having worked with Dr. Hoffman at CC, and being supportive of your seeing a specialist, is exactly the kind of thing we need to hear about if we get together a database on docs, like Andrew was talking about. Also, knowing about docs who will readily consult with specialists, as has also been mentioned on this thread. I'm glad you are now planning a trip to CC.... sounds like your husband is in very good hands, and I'm so glad that he is already out of the woods with his kidneys and doing better overall.

Debbie C
08-17-2013, 02:49 AM
I also see Dr. Hoffman at CC. My boyfriend go up the day before to do different things. They have a zoo there,also the Rock-n-Roll Hall of Fame,The house where the Christman Story was filmed,alot of good concerts. There is actually quite a bit to do in Cleveland. Your also close to Cedar Point ( a big amusement park ) If you belong to AAA get some brouches or call the chamber of commerce.
Good luck with the pred mood swings,it will get better, just have patience and know alot of things he may say or do its cuz of the drugs.