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KimH
10-13-2011, 03:54 AM
Hello everyone and thank you Andrew! I have been reading the posts on this site for a few months and have been composing this post for sometime during those sleepless prednisone and night sweats filled nights. I have also had so many conversations with so many of you that if anyone has heard voices it was probably me.:rolleyes1:

I was diagnosed in Dec 2010. I had had a crummy summer with sensativity to the cold and sun. I had all kinds of symptoms like fatigue, diarrhea, hot flashes, hair thinning, etc. At first my dr. thought it was perimenopause..after all..I was that age. I googled symtoms of memopause and found a site that list 35 symtpoms..I decided that was me since I had them all. I went to the OB/GYN, had a check up and some blood work..all was fine. Also my thyroid was checked..all kinds of different tests..Normal. That was August. I felt a bit better in Sept but by Oct I was getting my usual sinus head aches. I had been diagnosed with Vasomotor Rhinitis and had had sinus surgery in 2001. My ENT scoped me often, I had routine blood work for check ups from my GP and nothing ever lead them to suspect Wegener. I had had headaches since the 80's.

In Oct my headaches were everyday but some were gone soon after I got up. I used Nasacort and steam to help my head hoping it would go away after the autumn allergy season was gone. By Nov I started to cough and went back to my GP. He gave me a Z-pack. After finishing that the coughing was worse and I was exhausted. So we tried Levaquin for a few days. (At that time I was allergic to Augmentin and Clindamycin). The Levaquin made me dizzy so that was added to my do not take list. I was also getting night sweats and a low grade fever. By coincidence I was scheduled for my annual physical and had my blood work done. The next day my GP called me and he was floored at my horrible blood work, my SED rate was 126. He told me he thought this could be Wegner's, he had already set up a sinus CT, chest x-ray, more blood work, an appt at the ENT and called the Rhuemy. The next day te rhuemy called in some Batctrim DS and prenisone and I was to see him on monday. That day was friday. The sinus CT showed that my right spheniod sinus was socked in. Surgery was scheduled for Dec 16th. The drs wanted to get in and get the biopsy as that was an important piece of the dx for wegeners. Luckily for me my lungs were clear.

My GP is also a pheulmy and is a smart guy to have figured this out so quickly. My kidneys were safe too. By the time I took my first dose of pred. I felt better. After surgery almost all of my clinical symptom resolved. The biopsy was negative. By the time I took my last dose of prenisone on Feb 16th all my blood work normalized. I had no symtoms of anything and felt great. At that time my dx was probable limited wegeners. I had to keep an eye on my symptoms.

Dec 2010 during my annual physical my GP found a goiter. (All my blood work was normal). I had a thryoid ultra sound and then a biopsy. I have a nontoxic multinodule goiter.

This Apr 2011 I noticed that my finger nails were peeling. I thought that is was from gardening but it was always in the back of my mind that it could mean something. My Rhuemy has taken care of my daughter for her Lupus for 17yrs and I recall he always checked her nails. hhhmmm. I did have a few headches but nothing bad at all. I thought this is spring and I do have tree allergies and I had been scoped by my ENT a short time ago and all looked good.

On Apr 18th I broke my ankle in 2 places. I mention that because that just added to the stressful time I was going through. My daughter, the one who has Lupus had gotten a kidney and was having a hard time adjusting, my husband who is a builder ran out of work and we had to cancel our health ins. STRESS! We had 2 sons getting married in May. I wonder if all the stress of that time caused me to flare.

By June my ears were closed. I had never had ear problems before. When I saw my GP he said my ear canals were swollen shut and he could not see my ear drums. We briefly discussed Wegeners but we agreed to try decongestants for a few days and see if it helps. My ears did open a bit and I was so busy into my summer I really didnt connect it to Wegeners. I had energy and felt fine. Not even headaches.

We had a huge party at our house on July 30th. I love parites but I do not drink and no matter how many ppl are there I sneak into bed as soon as possible. The next day I was beyond exhausted. I could barely clean up. That night I had night sweats but thought it was from the heat wave we were having. The next day July 31 I noticed my low grade temp. That was monday. I saw my GP on thursday, we discusse wegeners again but since I was otherwise feeling great we thought perhaps Lyme disease, I live in CT. He said if I am not feeling better in 3days to call him. Not better. We did one more Lyme test for babeisosis..that was neg. He called me and said it was time to check for the wegeners.

Chest xray clear, kidneys safe, but anemia, sed rate of 86 and I forget what my ANCA test said...maybe 17. My rhuemy was on vacation and his associate started me on prednisone 40 mg and had given me instructions to taper. I cannot take Bactrim anymore since I started to itch when I took it two yrs ago. By now I started to cough, ears closed up again, crusties in nose, arthritis in my neck, night sweats, low grade fever and fatigue. The hope was that since I responded so amazingly to just the pred last time that it would do the trick. I did take a Z pack and then some Ceftin. I had repeat blood work that showed some improvement but not enough. My rhuemy started me on 500mg Cellcept, 9/26, and was told to stay on the 20mg of pred. My coughing picked up and I was given yet another antiobiotic to take for 10 days. The night time coughing is gone, my nose is not bloody but has a few specks when I do blow my nose. My arthritis is gone. My nose does not feel swollen any more, it really is not stuffy any more and my post nasal drip is almost gone. I feel like I have much more energy. I hope this is a step in the right direction. My rhuemy said it might take a month on the Cellcept before my clinical symptoms go away.

I am scheduled for more blood work in mid november. I am to check in on Oct 24..thats 4 wks on the 500mg Cellcept. Of course I can call my rhuemy's office anytime with concerns. I still do have a low grade temp everyday..average 99.5F. The temp is in the mornings and sometimes I take two Ibuprofen. I was warned not to take Advil and be careful with the Ibuprofen. My night sweats are coming back and my ears are still full. Oh yes and there is the dry hacking cough during the day. It is worse when I talk. Hate that!

I have known my Rhuemy for 17yrs. It is because of him my daughter is still alive. She had an extreemly agressive case of pediatric Lupus. He referred her out to see other dr's many times. He also presented her case at Yale. We gave him permission to send her records to dr's at the NIH and Darthmouth. He never ever claimed to be all knowing. He has many Weggie patients. I have not yet had the time to discuss some of the Weggie docs that all of you see but I will. I KNOW he would not blink an eye to get me a second opinion.

All of my drs have been working with me now that I do not have health ins. I told them that I want to be well and please do not limit my treatment because of money. I will figure out a way to pay for what is happening right now.
I did see on someone's post about a list of info from Dr. Seo. Was that you Sangye? I think one of the items listed stated that sinus wegeners was tough to knock out. Is that correct? Could you please re-direct me to which post that was. I would like to share that info with my rhuemy.

I wish I knew if the Cellcept was working. I think so..maybe. After reading so many stories on this forum I am lucky to have a mild case of this wicked disease. I wonder about my ears. Sometimes they open so if I can hear better sometimes that means that my hearing is not toast..right? I dunno. The ENT said my eustation tubes were swollen. IS that what it is? I know when I saw my rhuemy on sept 26 we talked for an hour. His office is awful for waiting but once you get in he is all yours. I asked so many questions and dont remember all the answers. I could call him everyday but that would be crazy. It is hard to wait. Does it take a bit to see improvement? I dont see that too many ppl take cellcept. There were other option like Imuran and Rtx but my dr chose the cellcept. I know he explained it to me. What causes the night sweats? and fever? Inflamation of... the stuff in my head? What is the dry hacking cough from? I need to take better notes for my next visit. I will have so many questions of all of you as I try to make sense of this disease.
Thanks for welcoming me into your group! Kim

Sangye
10-13-2011, 04:57 AM
Hi Kim, welcome to the group. Dr Seo has told me that people with severe sinus involvement have the hardest time coming off pred. It's not that their Wegs is the hardest to treat-- not at all.

I don't suggest calling your doctor with every question. You're probably seeing him on a regular basis right now. Just keep a list of your questions and bring them with you.

(I have a favor to ask you-- when you post again, would you please use smaller paragraphs? Many of us have some eye issues that make it hard to read big chunks of text. Hitting Enter will not post your reply. It will just start a new paragraph. Thank you!)

KimH
10-13-2011, 08:35 AM
Sure thing Sangye. I'll try to go into my post and add paragraphs. And thank you!

Psyborg
10-13-2011, 12:41 PM
Welcome to the forum Kim

elephant
10-13-2011, 01:47 PM
Hi Kim, I take Cellcept, but I take 2000mg. I think 500mg of Cellcept is very low amount to knock down Wegeners. Yes, get a second opinion. Need to see a Wegeners specialist. Check the Vasculitis site.

KimH
10-13-2011, 11:23 PM
Hello, I will call my Dr. today. After having cared for my daughter with her Lupus and having all my i's dotted and t's crossed I really need to get my stuff together for me. Because of my speedy" recovery" from my initial intro to Wegeners I was shocked that it did not go away as quickly this time. I sat in my rhuemy's office with lists, journals, etc but did not take notes...I was like a deer in the headlights. When I went to the pharmcy to get my Cellcept the pharmacist was discussing the medication with me and I could not hear a word she said. Yes, I WILL be better about this!

I do feel like I am getting better in some ways. When I see myself in the mirror I do NOT look like Edward (Cullen..twilight) had visited me in the night. Other stuff has gone away too. Yet some of my symptoms in my head morph and move around like the the Alien blobbing about as if it was in the form of a lava lamp glob.

How often do some of you need to get blood work to see if a med is working or what affect the med is having on your liver, other organs etc? I was told to wait 6 wks. Newbie on new med.

I live close enough to Boston and there is a Dr. in NYC who is an ENT and on the vasculitis site. Do I have to actually see them or do they work with my Rhuemy after all my records are sent there? I do not have health ins .

Does anyone take the Cellcept with food? I know the bottle says not to. My daughter's transplant team told her it is ok to take it with food if it means that taking it on an empty stomach only to throw it up. Many ppl on some other forums say they do take it with food.

Thanks, Kim

Sangye
10-14-2011, 04:28 AM
I had to take Cellcept with food to avoid bad stomach pain. I was told it was fine. (Same with ctx if anyone is wondering)

No health insurance... oh man. I don't know what to tell you, other than it just sickens and infuriates me that anyone has to deal with such concerns in modern times. It's immoral. :sad:

KimH
10-14-2011, 08:57 AM
Luckily..if that word is appropriate at all.... the local hospital cuts all costs in half for the uninsured. So far it is all manageable. But I do worry what if I take a turn for the worse. Bad thinking that way! I am feeling better. The clinical symtoms are lessening so maybe the baby dose of Cellcept is doing the trick along with the prednisone. I had been on just pred for 3-4 wks b4 starting the Cellcept. During that time my blood work improved. So for now I work on my question list and take it easy.

I went to the hosp to pay some bills and did get prices for tests and they are looking into the cost of ritaxum infusions. But so far my wegs seems much milder than many of you. I will discuss a referral to see a weggie spec w/ my rhuemy when I see him real soon!

And thanks again to all of you being here. Some of my friends just dont understand. One of them said to me, "why are you sick all of the time? " and then after i explained she said, "Call me when you are better so we can go to lunch." Geez.. Like many of you have said sometimes the disease is on the inside and ppl cant see that u are sick. If someone sees me in the grocery store they think I must be cured.! OMGoodness! This is the same thing that happened to my daughter when she first became ill at 13 and the problem continues today at almost 17yrs later.

Al
10-14-2011, 03:17 PM
Kim--If I had to pay half of what the hospital charged and related costs, I would be penniless, and still be left mostly untreated. I agree with Sangye. It also "sickens me [and would even if I weren't already sick] and infuriates me that anyone has to deal with such concerns in modern times." Well. Maybe the times aren't so "modern". I know this is verging on the dreaded political comment, so I will try to keep this to the present point: As I've written elsewhere,the discussion about whether health care is a right or a privilege is a red herring. Rather health care is a necessity. To be a functioning citizen requires a reasonable level of health. I may sound like the geezer I am, but it seems to me that arguing any other way is, indeed, immoral, and the fact that so many do so argue, a very bad sign for those entering the higher-risk ages (so far as being healthy in concerned)--say 35 and up: Employers do not want to get stuck with older employees who need the benefits and often can't, like the younger workers, work 16 hours a day. Did I say bad news? Yes, and I think O added a moral opinion as well.

Good luck with it all!

Al

Trudy
10-14-2011, 05:26 PM
Hi Kim

My youngest daughter became ill with SLE at 15. She is 21 now, and just starting her first job. I also have Lupus and Wegener's as an added bonus. I loved your expression - "Yet some of my symptoms in my head morph and move around like the the Alien blobbing about as if it was in the form of a lava lamp glob." So true! I pictured the lava lamp glob bouncing about inside me seeing what destruction it could do today. It seems i can hurt in one area and an hour later that is fine and somewhere else isn't. Hope you can sort out the health care; I know some of the companies offer free drugs. You might ask your doctor to look into it for you.

You asked about blood tests. I have to have my blood tested every month usually, but my kidney function is low. So I think it depends on what drugs you are taking and how your doctor feels you are doing. Since you do not have insurance, I would ask to only have tested what is absolutely necessary. I do not pay for mine, but they run $1200 a month.

Hope you start feeling better soon!

Al
10-14-2011, 06:04 PM
Kim--Lupus and Wegener's--wow! You've been dealt a bad hand. SLE (Lupus) involves different classes of antibodies, but both reflect an immune system gone haywire, quite possibly (but not certainly) because of of a triggering infection. The lava lamp image is excellent, and has the ring of truth, if also a touch of gallows humor! Thanks for making me chortle, both of you.

Drugs and kidney function: If the kidneys are stressed, I'd stay away from methotrexate, which is not kidney-friendly. True, all other meds have potential problems too, but MTX is a known unfriendly, so far as renal function is concerned.

Al

KimH
10-14-2011, 11:36 PM
Hi Al, Glad to have made you chuckle and ditto to you and your writings! Lupus is not me..it is my daughter. She was dx'd when she was 13 and is now 29. She had/has an aggressive case. Long long story. She now has a kidney, it is working great. Lupus is and has been in remission. Her struggle now is making the leap from being a very sick 13yr old to and independent" healthy" 29 yr old. It is a huge hurdle for all of us. Didn't you have 2 sons marry right after each other? Me too. Lets say my winter/spring 2011 was action packed and all the "excitement" of the time could have brought a flare. Who knows!

So you are in WA.. Love it. I used to be a west coaster after i was an east coaster and the moved back home! Sorta...from home in LI to NW CT woods!

I am looking forward to chatting! thanks K

KimH
10-14-2011, 11:44 PM
Al, I think that is trudy who has Lupus and wegeners. I read your post before I read hers. But she also has a daughter with Lupus. Trudy..we should talk! I am glad ur daughter is getting a job. Did she have kidney involvement? In addition to the kidney involvement for my daugther she had dialysis access issues and and she has that anti body thing ( my mind is blank now..not enough coffee) that makes her blood coagulate. So my daughter was at her last access spot when she finally got a kidney.

Al
10-15-2011, 02:31 PM
Al, I think that is trudy who has Lupus and wegeners.

Sorry--I didn't make it clear that I was responding to both of you in one message! Back to multiple-message responses: It was a sone and a daughter that were married back-to-back. And, yes, I think the stress level of that whole business contributed mightily to the relapse.

When these things happen to someone of your daughter's age, my heart caves in even more. The daughter of a good friend was diagnosed with MS at age 20, which was wrenching. But four years later, she got married and is doing amazingly well. So there is something to be said for youthful resiliency!

Al

KimH
10-20-2011, 02:18 AM
Hi elephant, I have been thinking about your advice..daily! I asked my Rhuemy why my Cellcept was such a baby dose and he said my B cells are way too low already and he is concerned about worsening of anemia. My symtpoms are lessening and feeling much much better in every way. My doc also has other weggie patients that he consults the big weg docs with so after my blood work is done he will do what he needs to do to discuss my case. I have no health ins; my rhuemy has known me for a long time and will do what ever has to be done to help me in every way. I am to start to go down on my pred on Monday after being on the cellcept for one month. From what my doc says and others have posted it takes about one month to do it's thing. I am quite the worrier and have sleepless nights thinking about the big "what ifs". Will I wake up with a new symptom, etc.. I know that is bad thinking that way! Thanks again for your input. Be well! Kim

Chris G
10-20-2011, 03:14 AM
Hi Kim. Welcome.

I don't know if this will be helpful to you, or just make you worry more...... but my case of wg seems similar to yours, and I wanted to address your question about it being more difficult to stamp out sinus related wg. My wg has been called "limited" or "head and neck" wg - some may call it "mild". Yes, mild for sure, compared to the incredible suffering of many of the people here - but it sucks none the less (especially the fatigue). My wg has affected my eyes, nose, sinuses, ears, trachea, and head (the daily headaches that sadly, just become the norm). I've also had some unexplainable joint pain from it as well. No lung or kidney involvement.

I started off on pred and methotrexate, and was told that the mtx should put me into remission, and then I would likely stay on mtx for a couple of years. Long story short.......the mtx helped for a little while, and then failed. We tried Imuran, but I lack the necessary enzyme to take it. So yes, at that point, I was told that sometimes "head & neck" wg is more resistent to the less aggressive drugs, and can be more difficult to stamp out. I've since had one round of rituxan (May, 2011), and will have another round this November. I'm off mtx, and my pred dose is as low as it's ever been, at 10mg. I'm to taper it by 1mg per month. I still have a few very minor lingering symptoms, so I know my wg is still lurking about. I'm SO looking forward to the second round of rtx , as it was like a miracle for me - I'd have it tomorrow if they'd let me.

Anyhow, for now, I'm glad to hear that Cellcept seems to be working for you. I've never taken it, but it seems like your dose is low, compared to those here who take it. I wouldn't necessarily abandon it for something more aggressive, without trying an increased dose.

Good luck, and keep us posted!

KimH
10-20-2011, 03:50 AM
Yes, I have been wondering about the low dose of Cellcept but the dr was worried about anemia and my B cells. Wanted further testing. He did tell me about rtx, 1000 mg for 3-4 treatments, Imuran and Cellcept at the higher doses. I am glad my next round of blood work will be discussed with a weggie doc and I will feel better about the treatment plan. Honestly I do not know how I would pay for the rtx other than mortaging my house. The hospital I go to does cut the bill in half and they provided me with the info get get help from the drug . I have seen price from 64K for 2 treatments to several thousand. My rhuemy does the drug company lecture circuit so maybe he has a connection. Or he is a professor at Yale and maybe I can get signed up for a study or something there. Grasping at straws but who knows...

My wegs in all "in my head". Just sinuses. So far, no headaches, no stuffy nose, no runny nose, no fatigue, the coughing is almost gone and so is the post nasal drip.. just a few of the nasty crusties inside and tinnitis. I know the wegs dog is still barking..perhaps wimpering but for my SANITY I cling onto each improvement! Now I wait for tests and weg dr input.

elephant
10-20-2011, 12:45 PM
My Weggie dog has one eye that is half way open and once in a while it closes. It is my sinuses, my left nostril runs on and off. I can live with it.