No insurance and H1N1- WG connection?

[marta]

Hey gang,

I just found this that might be interesting to those without insurance and who might feel like their WG was caused by the H1N1 vaccine (as I do). Unfortunately in Canada and Russia (the only two G8 countries to be behind in the times) this is not an option, but for those living in other G8 countries this might be of some help - you can cross reference and do some research on how to approach but it seems like an option.

Enough of me trying to explain without success - read the working paper here:
http://www.munkschool.utoronto.ca/assets/files/Publications/keelan_workingpaper_feb2011.pdf

[Sangye]

Good info, Marta.

In 2005 the US passed a law that protects vaccine manufacturers from being sued if they market a vaccine under "emergency" measures and the vaccine causes damage or death. The H1N1 vaccine falls into that category. Here's info about that law:
http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/122922.pdf (see p. 21)

[marta]

Hey Sangye,

What struck me in the article I posted is the idea to compensate people (the government) who have paid a price by contributing to the greater good by getting the vaccine. Because there is no fault assumed the decision is not punitive and is not one of those huge compensation deals but does compensate the person for their loss of work, medical bills and such. In the States it seems like you still have to go through a court type of process with lawyers and all those bells and whistles but not in the other countries (other than Canada and Russia of course).

I looked through the article you sent and what struck me on page 21 is the exception of "willful misconduct". So I think that adding squalene to the mix could be in fact construed as wilfull misconduct. Here's some other quotes on Squalene...

The adjuvant? Squalene.
According to Meryl Nass, M.D., an authority on the anthrax vaccine,

“A novel feature of the two H1N1 vaccines being developed by companies Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline is the addition of squalene-containing adjuvants to boost immunogenicity and dramatically reduce the amount of viral antigen needed. This translates to much faster production of desired vaccine quantities.”[v] (http://www.prisonplanet.com/wp-admin/#_edn5)

Novartis’s proprietary squalene adjuvant for their H1N1 vaccine is MF59. Glaxo’s is ASO3. MF59 has yet to be approved by the FDA for use in any U.S. vaccine, despite its history of use in other countries.

Per Dr. Nass, there are only three vaccines in existence using an approved squalene adjuvant. None of the three are approved for use in the U.S.
What Squalene Does to Rats

Oil-based vaccination adjuvants like squalene have been proved to generate concentrated, unremitting immune responses over long periods of time.[vi] (http://www.prisonplanet.com/wp-admin/#_edn6)

A 2000 study published in the American Journal of Pathology demonstrated a single injection of the adjuvant squalene into rats triggered “chronic, immune-mediated joint-specific inflammation,” also known as rheumatoid arthritis.[vii] (http://www.prisonplanet.com/wp-admin/#_edn7)

The researchers concluded the study raised questions about the role of adjuvants in chronic inflammatory diseases.

What Squalene Does to Humans

Your immune system recognizes squalene as an oil molecule native to your body. It is found throughout your nervous system and brain. In fact, you can consume squalene in olive oil (file:///C:/sites/articles/archive/2000/01/30/olive-oil-colon-cancer.aspx) and not only will your immune system recognize it, you will also reap the benefits of its antioxidant properties.

The difference between “good” and “bad” squalene is the route by which it enters your body. Injection is an abnormal route of entry which incites your immune system to attack all the squalene in your body, not just the vaccine adjuvant.

Your immune system will attempt to destroy the molecule wherever it finds it, including in places where it occurs naturally, and where it is vital to the health of your nervous system.[viii] (http://www.prisonplanet.com/wp-admin/#_edn8)

Gulf War veterans with Gulf War Syndrome (GWS) received anthrax vaccines which contained squalene.[ix] (http://www.prisonplanet.com/wp-admin/#_edn9) MF59 (the Novartis squalene adjuvant) was an unapproved ingredient in experimental anthrax vaccines (file:///C:/sites/articles/archive/2001/12/19/anthrax-war2.aspx) and has since been linked to the devastating autoimmune diseases suffered by countless Gulf War vets.[x] (http://www.prisonplanet.com/wp-admin/#_edn10)

The Department of Defense made every attempt to deny that squalene was indeed an added contaminant in the anthrax vaccine administered to Persian Gulf war military personnel – deployed and non-deployed – as well as participants in the more recent Anthrax Vaccine Immunization Program (AVIP).

However, the FDA discovered the presence of squalene in certain lots of AVIP product. A test was developed to detect anti-squalene antibodies in GWS patients, and a clear link was established between the contaminated product and all the GWS sufferers who had been injected with the vaccine containing squalene.

A study conducted at Tulane Medical School and published in the February 2000 issue of Experimental Molecular Pathology included these stunning statistics:

“ … the substantial majority (95%) of overtly ill deployed GWS patients had antibodies to squalene. All (100%) GWS patients immunized for service in Desert Shield/Desert Storm who did not deploy, but had the same signs and symptoms as those who did deploy, had antibodies to squalene.

In contrast, none (0%) of the deployed Persian Gulf veterans not showing signs and symptoms of GWS have antibodies to squalene. Neither patients with idiopathic autoimmune disease nor healthy controls had detectable serum antibodies to squalene. The majority of symptomatic GWS patients had serum antibodies to squalene.”[xi] (http://www.prisonplanet.com/wp-admin/#_edn11)

According to Dr. Viera Scheibner, Ph.D., a former principle research scientist for the government of Australia:

“… this adjuvant [squalene] contributed to the cascade of reactions called “Gulf War Syndrome,” documented in the soldiers involved in the Gulf War.

The symptoms they developed included arthritis, fibromyalgia, lymphadenopathy, rashes, photosensitive rashes, malar rashes, chronic fatigue, chronic headaches, abnormal body hair loss, non-healing skin lesions, aphthous ulcers, dizziness, weakness, memory loss, seizures, mood changes, neuropsychiatric problems, anti-thyroid effects, anaemia, elevated ESR (erythrocyte sedimentation rate), systemic lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis, ALS (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), Raynaud’s phenomenon, Sjorgren’s syndrome, chronic diarrhoea, night sweats and low-grade fevers.”[xii] (http://www.prisonplanet.com/wp-admin/#_edn12)

[pberggren1]

Very interesting Marta.

I got the regular flu vaccine back in 2004. I didn't really want to get it but I was not fully educated at the time on these matters and my Rheumy pressured me into getting it. She was actually getting nasty about it. I had a slight reaction to it. I got dizzy and almost fainted afterwards and had to stay in the clinic for about an hour to see how things turned out.

[Sangye]

Marta, yes squalene is a hideous adjuvant to vaccines. But by "willful misconduct" they mean deliberately putting something in the vaccine with the intention to harm people, like if they deliberately added arsenic or something. Given the enormous influence vaccine manufacturers have on our legal system in the US, there is no way anyone would win a lawsuit based on squalene or any of the other adjuvants. It's barbaric.

[pberggren1]

Marta, yes squalene is a hideous adjuvant to vaccines. But by "willful misconduct" they mean deliberately putting something in the vaccine with the intention to harm people, like if they deliberately added arsenic or something. Given the enormous influence vaccine manufacturers have on our legal system in the US, there is no way anyone would win a lawsuit based on squalene or any of the other adjuvants. It's barbaric.


Barbaric to say the least!!!!

It is insane how people just dance along to the propagand machine and let themselves be duped into getting all this stuff that the so called experts say is neccessary.

[delorisdoe]

Marta, yes squalene is a hideous adjuvant to vaccines. But by "willful misconduct" they mean deliberately putting something in the vaccine with the intention to harm people, like if they deliberately added arsenic or something. Given the enormous influence vaccine manufacturers have on our legal system in the US, there is no way anyone would win a lawsuit based on squalene or any of the other adjuvants. It's barbaric.


are you saying that the government has never done something that could be considered "willful misconduct"?

[marta]

I think willful misconduct would work here since the Department of Defence knew the effects of squalene and attempted to hide the fact that it was administered to their Gulf War Vets, so the government knowing this approved and promoted a civilian vaccination program with the same adjuvant to me seems the same as adding arsenic. I guess all of us that got this after the 2009 H1N1 vaccination 'freak out' are just collateral damage, but my question is how many of us are there - I think many - and because there is no system to track this some really rich guys are getting off unscathed, while we have to go to the doctor every several days.

But this is not why I posted this. I thought it might be a way for some people who have just recently got sick and can make the connection, to get some compensation if they have no other way of getting it. I'm lucky because I have a great insurance plan on top of the health care system I live under, but I've read some posts recently and a while back where people are having a hard time just getting basic care associated with this thing, and this might be a way to get some proper health care.

I just saw my doc this Friday (my rheumy) and she just got back from Toronto where they had a big Vasculitis conference (medical pros only) and she met one of the only two Vasculitis Doctors from Kenya. Apparently in Kenya there is nobody with Vasculitis. Ha. She said it's because people don't get the proper diagnosis and if they do it's post mortem. So having the right health care is vital to surviving this - as we all know.

[delorisdoe]

It is like the ford pinto...it was cheaper to pay off the victoms than to fix the car.

[pberggren1]

It is like the ford pinto...it was cheaper to pay off the victoms than to fix the car.

That's a good one Leigh! :w00t:

[Sangye]

are you saying that the government has never done something that could be considered "willful misconduct"?
Of course not. I'm saying good luck in winning such a case or even getting a lawyer to take it on.

[pberggren1]

Ya, no lawyer would ever take that on. Only in the movies.

[delorisdoe]

my momma always taught me...:mellow:

[pberggren1]

my momma always taught me...:mellow:

Is that from Forrest Gump?

[delorisdoe]

NO, that is from my mom. I always talked too much when I was younger and she used to tell me I dont always have to give my opinion. Sometimes I should just let it ride. I never believed her back then.

[delorisdoe]

but maybe from forest gump too.