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JanW
12-05-2010, 07:13 AM
I wanted to post a couple of items verbatim from the latest VF newsletter. This is all from an article by noted researcher (now at Cleveland Clinic) Dr. Gary Hoffman. He was talking about what we have learned about WG just in the last couple of years:

1. A recent trial by EUVAS (European Vasculitis Study Group), attempted to provide data that allow doctors to select yet another option for maintaining remission (other than imuran or methotrexate). EUVAS doctors asked should a doctor consider Cellcept for WG or MPA. The answer was determined by a very labor-intensive process that was years in planning and execution. The bottom line was that relapses were more common in the group receiving Cellcept (55%) compared to the group that received Imuran (37.5%). The risk for major relapses with Cellcept was even greater. The authors conclude that their study fails to support Cellcept as a first line choice for maintenance of remission in WG or MPA, findings that were the opposite of what they originally hypothesized. This is important and reliable new knowledge for the clinician.

2. Discontinuation of maintenance therapies appears to be associated with a higher rate of relapse compared to continuation of treatment. However, the risk-benefit formulae of long-term maintenance therapy vs. discontinuation and treatment of relapses requires further study before we can recommend life-time therapy for all patients.

Jack
12-05-2010, 07:30 AM
Bit of a bomb shell there! I believe Imuran is considerably cheaper too. I suppose the question now is - should anyone consider changing if they are not having problems with Cellcept? I think I'll ask this at my next consultation.

JanW
12-05-2010, 07:36 AM
That's why I put it out there verbatim Jack. I know that I have written often on here about how Peter Merkel (Boston) always refers to Cellcept as a "Cadillac that drives like a Ford" but forum members will sometimes chime in that their docs recommend it over Imuran. What I found most telling is that this was exactly the opposite result that the doc thought was going to occur. People should surely be asking about it. When I first asked about whether it would be tried with me if mtx were to fail, my doc was very lukewarm about it and noted, "it's manufacturer definitely likes to push it for use in vasculitis."

And yes, it's quite a bit more expensive than good old Imuran.

Jack
12-05-2010, 08:16 AM
When I was first treated and suffering repeated flares, the regimen was ctx, then azathioprine (Imuran), then Neoral (later replaced by Cellcept). From this I concluded that Imuran was a more powerful and effective drug than Cellcept, but there were problems with its long term use. This was all 15 - 20 years ago. It now appears that the side effects are no worse when using Imuran if properly monitored so you could say that my own experience supports the latest position.

elephant
12-05-2010, 08:46 AM
I am on Cellcept 2000mg? In the study did they study dosage amount re: beneficial to sustain remission? I was on Imuran and had allergic reaction to it. That is what the hospital pharmacist thought. I am wondering do I risk trying it out again?

Jack
12-05-2010, 09:07 AM
I don't think the result is strong enough evidence to warrant an immediate change if you are currently having no problems with Cellcept. It is just something to be taken on board when making the decision in the first place or considered for a future change.

Sangye
12-05-2010, 10:04 AM
I was already on Cellcept when I first started seeing Dr Seo. He thought it was controlling the Wegs fine, and remarked that even though he didn't normally put patients on it instead of mtx or imuran, he didn't want to mess with something that was working for me. (He had a moral objection to the cost of it, too.) Jack, I can't imagine a doctor taking you off it when it's worked for so long.

I was on 2,000 mg for about 2.5 years. Like I said,Dr Seo thought it was controlling the Wegs but I felt the dose was too low. I still had a number of symptoms that I'd had with active disease. When those symptoms gradually worsened I asked to increase the dose. He attributed my symptoms to being out of shape. I got worse over the next 3 months. Due to a communication glitch in his office, I was unable to reach him for 2 weeks so my JHU hematologist increased the dose to 3,000 mg. I felt better immediately but it didn't work fast enough to stop the flare. He said if I ever go back on it we'd start at the higher dose.

The study does confirm a trend that I've noticed for awhile now, including when I was a member of a different online group. It seemed to me a lot more people on Cellcept were having serious flares compared to imuran.

pberggren1
12-05-2010, 12:05 PM
I remember back in January of 2006 I switched Rheumys because I had moved. He took me off mtx and put me on Imuran. He shook his head as to why my previous Rheumy would put me on mtx. I stayed on Imuran until about August of 2006 and then just quit on my own and did not see any docs until I had my flare in November of 2007. During this time I did quite well. I call this the best time since dx with Wegs. I could get up every day and go to work and have energy to go out in the evenings.

JanW
12-06-2010, 06:15 AM
I agree that this shouldn't be read as "get off Cellcept immediately" but rather, why would you go on cellcept first, rather than imuran or methotrexate.

LisaMarie
12-06-2010, 01:19 PM
ok....i don't like this study.....i failes on mtx...imuran is too strong..almost killed me..cellcept is what he wants to put me on and cytoxin monthly....this info is really depressing...1-5....is not my idea of fun n unless i find i combo that works...that is what i am looking at....i already gad one close call that was way to:predrage::predrage:

pberggren1
12-06-2010, 02:35 PM
Lisa Marie: Cellcept may work well for you. Are you on IV ctx right now?

Sangye
12-06-2010, 02:44 PM
Lisa Marie, try not to go there. Cellcept does work well for many people. No drug is great for everyone. I can't take mtx or ctx again, even though many people do just fine with them.

Cellcept works differently than the other meds you've been on, which are all chemo. That makes me think you might do just fine with it. Keep your chin up. :smile1:

Palmyra
12-06-2010, 05:26 PM
I think the good news of these studies of late is that the "subject" (vasculitis,) is being researched and widely discussed at major medical centers and in journal publications

I recently flew on a flight here in the US and had the good (?) fortune of sitting next to two representatives of 'big pharma', one a sales rep, and the other a pharmacist/specialist in oncology medications. They were very interested in the drugs used to treat Vasculitis, casually mentioning that chronic diseases are being focused on by drug companies in that the drugs used will be profitable because of long term use. Depressing for those that are dependent on such drugs, but if any good news can be taken away, it is that there is motivation for more effective drugs.

Good for Weggies in the short term, but still short of addressing the need for a cure.

As an after mention, my daughter was on imuran years ago, and almost immediately developed acute pancreatitis. Each individual is different in how they respond to these potentially dangerous medications, so changing meds on the basis of a lone study would not make much sense.

I have not posted in a while, so I hope this finds everyone doing well:biggrin1: I will have questions for the group on my return from travels regarding Rituxun and scheduling/maintenance.

Cheers for the Holidays!
Palmyra ( AKA, my favorite ski mountain in CO, USA)

elephant
12-07-2010, 12:03 AM
LisaMarie you are starting cellcept and then do IV cytoxan?

Sangye
12-07-2010, 12:51 AM
LOL Palmyra, If I found myself in that seating arrangement, it'd be a good start for a joke ("A chiropractor and 2 pharmaceutical reps were sitting together on an airplane...."). I'll let you fill in the rest. :biggrin1:

LisaMarie
12-07-2010, 01:05 AM
Lisa Marie: Cellcept may work well for you. Are you on IV ctx right now?
I had ctx in july prior to starting rtx...and only one dose IV ....My doc explained that IV has less change of long term side effects than po daily....so on Friday we have the big talk...I have been on high doses of pred since late May so my goal is to get him to taper me down again as soon as I start the cellcept.....and see if I flare again...i know I am not in remission so I know i have to take something ...just wish we could find something sooner than later...between family denial and my own trying to look at the glass half full instead of empty it is becoming a battle and i am ususally a little pollyanna most of the time....so I will try to stay positive and hope cellcept works for me like it is for others...thanks yall]

Sangye
12-07-2010, 03:39 AM
Lisa Marie, I don't know about the lower chance of long-term side effects with IV ctx, but I do know 2 things about IV ctx: 1) It's less effective than oral, and 2) It's harder to control the dosing (ie, they give you the weight-based dose, which might be too much for you to handle).

Cellcept takes 4 weeks to begin working, so you may have to wait a bit to taper the pred. :sad:

JanW
12-07-2010, 04:47 AM
There is no one-size-fits-all when it comes to WG Lisa. This is more like a caution to people whose (uniformed) doc might say, "we're going to start you on this great drug, Cellcept" to be able to say to that doctor -- "what do you think about the study that showed it's not as effective?"

Sangye
12-07-2010, 09:48 AM
Very well put, JanW. :smile1:

LisaMarie
12-07-2010, 12:20 PM
ok i have 4 days to compose my list of questions and concerns......so wish me luck...i slept 12.hours yesterday under a heated blanket and felt ok till about 12...now the aches r backs bones hurt ...part maybe it is32 degrees outside..lol thanks for all your support